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 Post subject: Re: single pilot Falcon 10
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I can call the local DGAC office if need be, but on the website, they now redirect to the EASA list of t/r, which states that the Falcon 10/100 is MP.
And with the introduction of Part-NCC/Part-SPO and the need for an OM, I wonder whether they will continue.

It might be approved within the OM for companies like AVDEF due to their operations?

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 Post subject: Re: single pilot Falcon 10
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they now redirect to the EASA list of t/r, which states that the Falcon 10/100 is MP.


Fabien, thank you, that is exactly what I would have figured too…

and besides….wouldn't it be highly unfair, from a democratic perspective, considering your country's constitution, "equality", to have just one guy having all the fun flying a Falcon, instead of two..I mean that would exclude half of the potential other pilot population..

shared fun is better... :)


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 Post subject: Re: single pilot Falcon 10
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On the topic of Falcons and MMO, there is this amazing video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bozyHzsvh9Y

Half of it is talking about High Mach flying, the other half is your average French bragging (and rightly so, especially when it comes to Dassault). Around 17min things get very interesting!


Thank you Fabien, for reminding us about that great video…

about the "interesting" section..

good old Ed Allen of DFJ together with "The Prince" are having some serious fun in a nifty fifty..

"look Ma, no hands…we're boomin'.."

it gets interesting when the camera moves over and passes the altimeter, that is at a time, where the ASI is fluttering around Mach .98.99…and suddenly you see the red bar on the altimeter…that is when the bird went through Mach 1, the pressure wave passing the static ports…only a small detail ( personally am convinced that Dassault has taken every single Falcon model through Mach 1 during initial experimental testing…the original Falcon 20 wing basically having been the wing of Dassault's first Mach buster fighter jet..)

there was an unofficial version of that movie too, that went a bit beyond that, if I remember well…DFJ decided not to publish, lest it might have tempted some bad boys or bad girls to boom some unsuspecting villages during descents on ferry flights.. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7ojhYSSMKc

must have been late 70's or so…by the monochrome weather radar in that 50...


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 Post subject: Re: single pilot Falcon 10
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Ahah yes I hadn't paid attention to the altimeter, this is awesome! And all the while banking 45deg, then moving their hands over the pedestal! :bow:
Thanks for pointing that out. Dassault is really something else, to show that in the middle of a commercial video.

As to bad girls and boys, most certainly. I've heard stories in the navy, it would be fair to say the plane was flown like a jetfighter at times... :roll:

I agree with you on the constitutionality of an MP rating! But maybe we can fly TWO Falcon 10 in formation instead?

So where do I send my resume and motivation letter to make my dreams come true now? (seriously!)

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I agree with you on the constitutionality of an MP rating! But maybe we can fly TWO Falcon 10 in formation instead?


Deal, Fabien..

now we only have to find the sponsors with deep pockets... :D


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Thanks, Gerd and Fabian for the update and comments. I do seem recall now hearing a conversation some years back about certification for civil SP ops somewhere in Europe with the DA-10. Since I never saw anything in writing, I simply put it off as rumor or wishful thinking. I once knew of a newly minted co-pilot who managed to shoot a down to
minimums approach and land a DA-20 at KEWR (?) after his captain became incapacitated due to a stroke. Afterwards, as one could imagine, there were many questions from AMD and FAA concerning the SP aspects of this event with future SP certification in mind. I believe that this was not too long after Cessna brought out the 501SP. To my knowledge nothing further came of it but, I understand the captain later made a full recovery.
As to the video of the DA-50 exceeding M1.0, I recall the excitement that it caused when first shown. Lots of ooh's and ahh's!


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Just to clarify, you could get a French SP rating in the past , but with EASA now overruling local CAA, it seems it's only MP. Unless one maybe manages to get it approved in their OM due to Special Ops?

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Dang. 3 years in the slammer for a joy ride to Vegas. Seems harsh. He will probably get a much lesser sentence. If it's reduced to a fine and perhaps probation, it may cause one to reconsider said joy ride... :whistle:

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Dang. 3 years in the slammer for a joy ride to Vegas. Seems harsh. He will probably get a much lesser sentence. If it's reduced to a fine and perhaps probation, it may cause one to reconsider said joy ride... :whistle:


"Welcome, please have a sit, let's begin the interview. So you are rated on the Falcon 20?"

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Dang. 3 years in the slammer for a joy ride to Vegas. Seems harsh. He will probably get a much lesser sentence. If it's reduced to a fine and perhaps probation, it may cause one to reconsider said joy ride... :whistle:



That is unless he has a "previous record" .

The fact that he had paying passengers will definitely weigh against him as well.

Not just a quick joy ride ...

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Afterwards, as one could imagine, there were many questions from AMD and FAA concerning the SP aspects of this event with future SP certification in mind. I believe that this was not too long after Cessna brought out the 501SP. To my knowledge nothing further came of it...


what I could imagine, now regardless on which side one is on in the SP discussion, what would make an SP ops on a Falcon 10, but also on the Falcon 20 for that matter, not adviseable is that both airplanes have tiller steering for the nosewheel(s)..so how does one want to do that single pilot up to 80 Kts during take-off or after touchdown, if the left hand is on the steering tiller, the right one on the powerlevers..who is going to make necessary aileron ( x-wind)-or elevator down inputs ( to keep the nosewheel firmly planted..on the runway)? Needs a second pilot IMHO..just for that reason alone..let's say everything else maybe being equal with a 501SP...

do not know how they manage that on the F10 Mer ( should they fly them SP nowadays..), or how any SP ops in the past dealt with that on the F10 in France..?


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I right seated on one in 1996 for about 2 months, then the CFO quit, and it was sold. I have to admit seeing 500 kts true was fun.
Only got a half dozen landings, so I am curious about what the high timers thought about the Arthur Q unit. It had a spongy rubber band feeling to me in the flare.

Also, ours had a strange (occasionally frightening) glitch, in that occasionally everything on the captains side, connected to the air data system would go nuts. Airspeed pegged, altimeter would wind up as if connected to a high speed drill...." your plane" all good on my side. Falcon could never duplicate, it was new and warranteed and I think they finally did a major rewire after it was sold. N605T

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Arthur Q unit. It had a spongy rubber band feeling to me in the flare.

Also, ours had a strange (occasionally frightening) glitch, in that occasionally everything on the captains side, connected to the air data system would go nuts.


dont know, but, could well be that during the time you were with the bird, it may have had some intermittent problem actually with the air data system, computer, wiring etc..and they may also have triggered the Arthur Q unit into the wrong speed mode..

so may well have been, that those two problems may have been related...

if it was a post 1980 production plane probably had the Collins 80 system in there..

if I remember well the F10 /100 used to be a tad touchy in regards to maintenance in that regard..quite different set-ups and logic in the Arthur Q than on the Falcon 20…

the 20s got really funny with the Arthur Qs, when by any chance the static selector was not in the correct position...


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I've been googling for specs on the 10 and I find 454 kts for high speed cruise. Nowhere does the 500 kts come from?


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I've been googling for specs on the 10 and I find 454 kts for high speed cruise. Nowhere does the 500 kts come from?


well yes, that would be .80, but that is just the specs…you can always take "highER speed" cruise…and speed along at M.85 or .86…whatever you long for on a given day for a given route...that will give you 500 numbers..

BTW..I started playing the lottery recently…and IF I win, I mean, really…..just a joke, but let's say if etc etc

my wonderful wife can choose the colors, the leather, whatever…as long as it's a Falcon….


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