What mathers is hp at Altitude. The -66D will keep 850 hp up to FL280.
What does the -67P does in the NG?





More than the -67 series which have 300-800 or so more horsepower?

Adam you are very close I just had my gear inspected by Naples jet center last month and cost for gear inspection was 20.6k.

After watching the process I am glad I had it done there.

It can be done for much cheaper at a lesser shop.

Here is one based at Palo Alto (KPAO) with 2499' runway. It's probably a different one mentioned in this thread. The owner doesn't fly this one himself. He has a pro fly it for him.

https://vimeo.com/108533242

Actually sounds pretty cheap for them. I'd thought it'd be more there. They know their Commander stuff, for sure.

From AvBuyer: "The PC-12 NG enjoyed a 15-percent gain in thermodynamic power over the original PC-12 model- along with the ability to continuously get the full- flat-rated 1-200 shp out of the PT6A-67P"

I know our -67's in our RC-12's still made over 1000 SHP at FL250.

Data point on the only P180 I'm close to: gear overhaul $250k and 1 year downtime.

Great looking and performing Turboprop with a Hawker like cabin and jet performance otherwise. Jet like runway requirements to be expected.

I did find it interesting to watch the factory bid against their clients on spare parts at the Avantair auction. Didn't seem like a good way to earn customer support loyalty points.

? Don't they have a loaner set ?

Adam,

I am so glad that you are carrying the torch for the P 180. I like your approach - real data from an owner. No type rating, no SP waiver and from what I understand, putting a turbo prop on an (existing) 135 certificate is much easier than a jet.

Pretty interesting that the owner thought that the Proline avionics were one of the worst expenses. Can't imagine that they are much different in other airplanes....

One of the things I've seen happen on here over the past years is a big increase of respect for the MU2. Seems to me it used to be the Red Headed Step Child and now its thought of in a much better way. A lot of that comes from having owners that we trust talking about what they a really like. We have tons of airplane owners here and not a single P 180 owner.

I wonder if a guy could find one to lease? I wonder what it would/should cost?

I bet the mandatory.training and subsequent safety improvement has significantly increased the MU-2 desirability.

Absolutely. Went from the worst accident rate to the best (or at least close, I've seen arguments about it but they were splitting data fairly fine).

It truly is all about the mission and the training. It previously had a bad mission (late night low cost cargo - check hauling) and limited training requirements. Part of the SFAR training requirements' benefit is that it effectively drove most of the lowest cost guys out since they could no longer just pencil whip a 135 checkride and call it good enough.

I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would want one of these things. It reminds me of those V8 juice commercials. Smack the guy in the head, "Could've had a jet!"

Theodore, there are probably a lot of us who'd rather spend a lot of money upfront, but less per hour (not that I ever seem to have any - money that is). I'm one of those. Just like Jason and many others, a 2 crew jet is of zero interest to me, even though I could get into a Lear much cheaper than a P180. But having employees, having to get onerous yearly training, a fuel bill from hell - no thanks. The P180 offers jet performance without the hassle and the fuel bill.

Not that I am anywhere close to a jet or a Piaggio, in mission or budget, but I tend to think like Adam in this regard.

But for the MX issues I'd be flying a P180. I think it's the perfect airplane. I too would rather write a big check up front and smaller checks along the way. $1000 in gas just flew 6 of us plus bags from Seattle to Atlanta in 6 hours.

It's also a huge deal for me to own an airplane I can easily get out of if I want to. That's perhaps my number 1 buying consideration.

If I was a rich guy I'd be flying in the back of a G5 and I wouldn't know what BT is.

Seattle to Atlanta --1900 nm direct -- in 6 hours? I'm curious about such a flight. You have a flight track or Flight Aware that shows that flight?