I fly an airplane that goes to 41,000' and often wish I could go higher, so I just don't see how you flying an airplane only going to 30,000, and 28,000 without RVSM, you can't want more altitude. Topping weather, getting above turbulence, getting out of the wind, etc are the reasons I'd like to be able to go higher.

I have no problem with differing opinions. But you know Jason, you appear to make up your own facts to validate your opinion. Sadly, what you state as factual is easily disputed with actual data.

A PC-12 is a great airplane, no doubt about it, but compared to a jet, it isn't as wonderful as you make it sound. I enjoyed my time flying the PC-12, but wouldn't ever trade a jet for a PC-12 unless I was going into unimproved strips. The PC-12 lacks speed, altitude capabilities, systems redundancy, pressurization differential, and much more.

That doesn't bother me. I use Halo with one ear plug in and one out.

If I lived in NYC, I'd have a jet like you. The main reason I bought PC12 is Atlanta. I'm close to everything except the ski slopes.

It's pointless because you can NEVER back up your position. You just say things like this and give up. I asked you to "sell me". I'm all ears. I want a jet. I just can't make the math work. I'll probably get one anyways because I want one. But at least I acknowledge why I'm doing it and that it's totally irrational.

Out of Atlanta a jet WILL beat a PC-12 to any of the above. The below times are based on actual flights taken place, on the same days, to eliminate the wind variable.

ATL-LGA: Jet - 1 hour 34 minutes. PC-12 - 2 hours 33 minutes.
ATL-MIA: Jet - 1 hour 18 minutes. PC-12 - 2 hours 3 minutes.
ATL-MDW: Jet - 1 hour 23 minutes. PC-12: 2 hours 21 minutes.

Of course there are times I WANT higher. But that doesn't mean I NEED higher to complete the mission. It's a very small % of the total mission.

I agree with your post.

The flights above were completed in an Embraer Phenom 300. Single pilot last I checked! I used LGA only because I could get a like for like between a PC-12 and Phenom 300 between those altitudes. I couldn't readily find a PC-12 and Phenom 300 going between Atlanta and TEB.

OK. But still apples to oranges. TEB is the game changer. You're the red headed step child going into TEB. You just need to look at the arrival procedure. Most of the flight is low altitude which is where the PC12 shines over the Jet.

You found PC12's flying from ATL to LGA? Really?

Since I didn't say what arrival, if any, my time was based on how could you know that it was wrong? And since it was based on an actual PC-12 between Atlanta & Midway, how could the times be wrong?

The flights above were completed in an Embraer Phenom 300. Single pilot last I checked! I used LGA only because I could get a like for like between a PC-12 and Phenom 300 between those altitudes. I couldn't readily find a PC-12 and Phenom 300 going between Atlanta and TEB.

Only one.

The arrival into MDW is ridiculous. It's like the arrival into OPF. If you 86 the arrival (like I always do) you just cut 30-40 minutes off your flight time. I drop to 17.5 and take it in VFR.

Fair enough but I've never done that route. I wouldn't use that as a comparison. I can only imagine how much ATL and LGA flew that poor bastard around keeping him out of the way.

You guys aren't taking ATC into account when you shop airplanes. You gotta do what ATC says to do above 18K. If they tell you to slow down...... You just blew all reasons left to own a jet.

On my recent flight to Cancun, ATC delayed my takeoff time 2 hours due to traffic. I re-filed to Cancun for 15k'. Got my clearance, took off immediately and then got to 26k' by requesting it as soon as I was out of ATL class B. If I were a NetJets pilot, I'd have told my PAX "we're delayed 2 hours so we'll need to sit around".

Sitting at the Ritz in SOBE writing this. Flew down to FXE on Friday. Bit of icing departing the NY area that the hot wings handled easily. 3:14 flight. 150+ headwinds in the lower FLs from NY to NC. Went up to FL450 for about an 80kt headwind. Put a raft in the back and went down AR21 overwater. Used a lot of the capabilities of the CJ2+ to make it a nice relaxing flight.

That's a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Sobe isn't a long flight from Atlanta. I do it VFR at 17.5 all the time and go Direct to, ENTER ENTER.

PC12 has ice protection too.

NYC isn't close to anything. I'd have a jet too if I lived there. You bought the right airplane

You went to Cancun around Xmas New Years. I've done that trip at that time. I think your ATC delay was due to flow control into Cancun and not ATL traffic saturation. Once you were in the air it was hard for ATC to hold you for flow control so you just slipped into the system.

Many 135 operators are required in their OPSPECS to be IFR with passengers and can't use that dodge. Also you can burn into your fuel reserve quicker in a jet VFR low. Heading into Cancun is not when I want to be getting low on fuel because I was low for a while picking up my clearance into the FLs.