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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 14 Oct 2021, 20:11 |
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Joined: 09/26/09 Posts: 1484 Post Likes: +995 Company: ElitAire Location: Columbus, OH - KCMH
Aircraft: Piaggio P180
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Username Protected wrote: Honestly, for me, the Collins systems are the biggest negative of the Piaggio Avanti's right after the uncertainty of the corporate parent's future and potential for subsequent supply chain issues.
The cost differential of the Collins systems in both hardware, repair, and recurring subscription costs versus the Garmin is about the biggest dichotomy out there. From the subscription side of the equation they are at least 10x the cost of Garmin, and from the hardware side, I don't have any first hand experience, but I am hearing similar multiples, or more.
The fact that IJS and Joe has the G1000 certified for the Avanti I and hopefully will get it for the II has brought the Avanti into the consideration column.
Cheers! Nit picking for accuracy. Not G1000. They are G600 + GTN750. I’m a huge fan of the system and it’s modularity.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 15 Oct 2021, 11:44 |
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Joined: 10/12/20 Posts: 312 Post Likes: +157
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Matt - where is yours being done?
Mines going on 5mon in the shop.....
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 15 Oct 2021, 12:09 |
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Joined: 04/06/11 Posts: 9676 Post Likes: +5138
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Username Protected wrote: Just one more week they say...I'm pretty excited. Saw that a few minutes ago driving in.
_________________ Be careful what you ask for, your mechanic wants to sleep at night.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 15 Oct 2021, 17:20 |
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Joined: 09/26/09 Posts: 1484 Post Likes: +995 Company: ElitAire Location: Columbus, OH - KCMH
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Username Protected wrote: Matt - where is yours being done?
Mines going on 5mon in the shop..... Sureflight in Coatesville PA. Their owners post on BT every so often. They estimated 22 business days which was shocking to me. They were pretty confident. I think actual will be 25 days as there was more sanding required than they anticipated. Very much impressed.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 15 Oct 2021, 18:05 |
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Joined: 09/02/09 Posts: 8726 Post Likes: +9456 Company: OAA Location: Oklahoma City - PWA/Calistoga KSTS
Aircraft: UMF3, UBF 2, P180 II
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I knew I was going to overhaul my landing gear when I bought my plane. When I evaluated planes I "normalized" costs with estimated hourly and annual costs of every major inspection, engine event and overhaul. I used similar estimates on other items like paint and interior all in an effort to try to determine the value of individual planes compared to their asking prices. Yes, I'm a tad anal.
I know that gear overhauls aren't required for Part 91 ops. But, I am one who doesn't believe maintenance deferred ever gets cheaper and it comes out when you sell.
Anyway, my gear was "due" at the end of March but I didn't actually start the overhaul process until then. The reason was I didn't want the plane to be AOG for a long time. The solution to that was to purchase a set of "as removed" gear and send it off for overhaul so I could keep flying on the old gear. I would then do a swap and sell my old gear. I wasn't able to find a set of as removed at an acceptable price until early in the year. Dean McKenzie at ICJ came through for me though and we sent the gear off on March 6th. I got it installed and picked it up on October 11th. To be fair, ICJ had it back in their shop ready to go at the end of August but I wanted to wait until I did the 6 and 12 month inspections to reduce downtime. Still, it took six months to get the gear overhauled. ICJ only took a week for the swap. One good thing, I guess, about doing it this way is you spread the pain. I bought the gear. Then you have to pay for the overhaul up front. Then the steering actuator people take that apart and give you a price and you pay that. Then ICJ bills their labor - which is the cheapest part - at the end.
I had one little glitch when I got a red unsafe light on one of the main gear legs after take off. A couple more hours in the shop and it's perfect.
Good for another 12 years!
My as removed gear had a lot fewer cycles than the gear I bought so I might actually come out ahead when someone buys for me. We'll see. ICJ will hang on to it and make arrangements with the next guy. All in it will have been at the lower end of the horror stories you hear.
The guys at ICJ are great to work with and super helpful.
Now for the props...
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 15 Oct 2021, 18:37 |
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Joined: 03/17/14 Posts: 140 Post Likes: +56 Company: Pegasus Technologies, Inc. Location: Lenoir City, TN
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Tony,
I live near Knoxville and heard an “interesting” sounding plane flying over. I immediately checked traffic on FF and saw it was an Avanti. Must have been you! Small world.
Jim
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 15 Oct 2021, 19:55 |
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Joined: 09/02/09 Posts: 8726 Post Likes: +9456 Company: OAA Location: Oklahoma City - PWA/Calistoga KSTS
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Username Protected wrote: Tony,
I live near Knoxville and heard an “interesting” sounding plane flying over. I immediately checked traffic on FF and saw it was an Avanti. Must have been you! Small world.
Jim If it was around midday or a bit earlier it was me!
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 15 Oct 2021, 23:12 |
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Joined: 08/05/16 Posts: 3151 Post Likes: +2294 Company: Tack Mobile Location: KBJC
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Is synthetic vision available on the Proline pre-evo? Also how big is the transition to FMS and how does it compare in terms of capability and ease of use to something like a TXi with EIS and GFC AP?
These are amazing planes. Just needs Garmin up front!
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