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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 31 Jan 2017, 08:08 |
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Good work Mark! Assuming it happen soon after you leveled off? Re: your thoughts about what airport to deviate to. Airlines have gotten into trouble for deviating to a maintenance base instead of landing at the nearest suitable airport. I'm sure it's less risk for trouble under part91. I've been there and gone to maintenance vs nearest suitable before as well.... Allens link to NTSB above says Immediately notify for a flight control system failure... - Quote: §830.5 Immediate notification. The operator of any civil aircraft, or any public aircraft not operated by the Armed Forces or an intelligence agency of the United States, or any foreign aircraft shall immediately, and by the most expeditious means available, notify the nearest National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) office,1 when: Also might consider a NASA form just in case....
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 31 Jan 2017, 09:43 |
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Mark -
First off, well handled. While I haven't (yet?) flown with you, due to your writing I feel like I know your piloting style and have always been impressed with your thoughtfulness and aviation demeanor - so, no big surprise you handled this well!
With the luxury BT hindsight, I do think I would have declared. If nothing else, it gains you flexibility and you wouldn't feel obligated to hit the altitudes on the STAR. Also, and I apologize if this is macabre, if you did crash the jet the NTSB and BT Crash Talk would at least have some idea about what happened and that it wasn't pilot error.
Again, well done!
Robert
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 31 Jan 2017, 10:02 |
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Had you been deiced recently? We had an issue on a CJ4 with an aileron cable freezing up at altitude due to residual fluid re-hydrating in the balance bay. The crew was able to break it free on descent into warmer air. Cessna Service Center opened up the bays and cleaned out a ton of residual fluid. They said it's a common problem during winter months.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 31 Jan 2017, 10:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: Had you been deiced recently? We had an issue on a CJ4 with an aileron cable freezing up at altitude due to residual fluid re-hydrating in the balance bay. The crew was able to break it free on descent into warmer air. Cessna Service Center opened up the bays and cleaned out a ton of residual fluid. They said it's a common problem during winter months. De-icing fluid freezes at normal ops altitudes? That is counter-intuitive...
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 31 Jan 2017, 14:07 |
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Username Protected wrote: Was this actually a flight controls system failure per the reg.? Trim bound, but it sounded like actual flight controls worked fine. Just asking. I think the reason it's reportable is if you couldn't get it down safely. Trim tabs are part of the flight controls. You think you can fly a complex plane with no trim? If he didn't get it down safely there would be an FAA report and the NTSB would be automatically notified. The purpose of 830.5 is for the NTSB to become aware of potential safety problems before accidents happen.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 31 Jan 2017, 17:21 |
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Quote: De-icing fluid freezes at normal ops altitudes? That is counter-intuitive... And TKS fluid also.. Once had a TKS (egg) timer stick on a 700 Hawker, when we leveled at altitude, I noticed the leading edges were crusty with ice. Jeff
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soloed in a land of Superhomers/1959 Cessna 150, retired with Proline 21/ CJ4.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 31 Jan 2017, 20:21 |
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With both hands on the yoke (and a knee!) I guess grabbing the checklist would have been difficult but curious as to what Cessna says about Elev Trim Fail or Elev Trim Runaway in the QRH.
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