BeechTalk - BT - Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Diesel

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Dec 2019, 22:14

Username Protected wrote:

The test pilot has on a helmet (smart) but is the pressurized O2 mask REALLY necessary for “some low-speed taxi tests”?? When I am done laughing I will return to our regularly scheduled thread.
...can’t wait to see what he does with the ailerons to stiffen them up.

I believe that his helmet/headset only has the mask mic.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Dec 2019, 22:23

If its elliot seguin then he's likely in the camp of all the gear all the time after crashing an experimental home built jet and living to tell the tale.

check out "wasabi flight test" in the google

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Dec 2019, 22:31

Username Protected wrote:

Of course, this is BeechTalk. Everyone knows juuuuuusssssttttt a liiiiiiiitttttllle bit more than anyone else. My last home built smashed into a pile of 2x4’s and plywood after I flew it off of the garage.

Give the guy some credit for doing what he’s doing. He’s not building from a quick build kit at a factory assist shop like you did. Or didn’t, if you’ve never built a plane. It’s pretty bad that a lot of you are waiting for him or a test pilot to get killed just so you can say, “I told you so.”

Just my opinion, but I think you're out of line with this one.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Dec 2019, 23:42

I have watched enough that he really needs to have a systems engineer involved. Some of these fixes are straight up Rude Goldberg band aids. When you have to explain why the governor doesn't work right, engine overheats, and on and on like he does in the latest video, that should be a wake up call. I think at this point he is so invested in this thing he is looking thru the fog and doesn't see the cliff coming.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Dec 2019, 07:38

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I am sure Wilbur and Orville had the same people saying the same dung about them.

The difference being that wilbur and orville were famously private about what they were doing. Even after achieving powered flight they kept it mostly under wraps for a couple years until they had something they deemed working well enough to show.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Dec 2019, 09:41

Username Protected wrote:

I am sure Wilbur and Orville had the same people saying the same dung about them.

The difference being that wilbur and orville were famously private about what they were doing. Even after achieving powered flight they kept it mostly under wraps for a couple years until they had something they deemed working well enough to show.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Dec 2019, 09:59

Username Protected wrote:

I just don't see the need to bash him, until the final product.

There will never be a final product.....hence the need for criticism now.

Really, almost all of the negative comments are factual and well deserved.

Do you stick up for Jerry W too?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Dec 2019, 10:57

Username Protected wrote:

I'm sorry Jeff! truly.............

I just don't see the need to bash him, until the final product.

Happy Holiday's to you!

There’s a difference between bashing and critiquing. No matter what, you can’t beat physics. People have been concerned about the play in the ailerons for a while. He said “He’s not worried about it, it’s fine.” Up until he almost destroyed it from flutter after removing the spades. Many have said his aileron setup isn’t the best idea. Now, the test pilots agree and won’t fly it. He’s had a few redrive failures. It does seem he may have fixed the belt walking, so maybe that is fixed.

Really, I think he’s going to run out of money.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Dec 2019, 11:08

Username Protected wrote:

I'm sorry Jeff! truly.............

I just don't see the need to bash him, until the final product.

Happy Holiday's to you!

There’s a difference between bashing and critiquing. No matter what, you can’t beat physics. People have been concerned about the play in the ailerons for a while. He said “He’s not worried about it, it’s fine.” Up until he almost destroyed it from flutter after removing the spades. Many have said his aileron setup isn’t the best idea. Now, the test pilots agree and won’t fly it. He’s had a few redrive failures. It does seem he may have fixed the belt walking, so maybe that is fixed.

Really, I think he’s going to run out of money.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Dec 2019, 14:40

Username Protected wrote:

I'm sorry Jeff! truly.............

I just don't see the need to bash him, until the final product.

Happy Holiday's to you!

There’s a difference between bashing and critiquing. No matter what, you can’t beat physics. People have been concerned about the play in the ailerons for a while. He said “He’s not worried about it, it’s fine.” Up until he almost destroyed it from flutter after removing the spades. Many have said his aileron setup isn’t the best idea. Now, the test pilots agree and won’t fly it. He’s had a few redrive failures. It does seem he may have fixed the belt walking, so maybe that is fixed.

Really, I think he’s going to run out of money.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Dec 2019, 16:30

Username Protected wrote:

lol..........and they said the Helicopter would never fly! Funny..... :liar:

You guys amaze me on here, but I hope you have a Great Christmas and I hope you find some kindness and compassion in the new year. Shame..........

If you saw someone repeatedly trying to force a square peg into a round hole, would you be so charitable?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Dec 2019, 17:12

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lol..........and they said the Helicopter would never fly! Funny..... :liar:

You guys amaze me on here, but I hope you have a Great Christmas and I hope you find some kindness and compassion in the new year. Shame..........

If you saw someone repeatedly trying to force a square peg into a round hole, would you be so charitable?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Dec 2019, 19:26

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I am sure Wilbur and Orville had the same people saying the same dung about them.

Comparing this guy to to the Wrights is laughable. The Wrights were, in large measure, figuring out the basics of powered flight for the first time ever because there was no previous info to build on. The basics are pretty well understood at this point. Someone who decides the basics are wrong or unimportant should expect some harsh critiquing until they prove they are smarter than those who came before.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Dec 2019, 20:09

Username Protected wrote:

I am sure Wilbur and Orville had the same people saying the same dung about them.

Comparing this guy to to the Wright’s is laughable. The Wright’s were, in large measure, figuring out the basics of powered flight for the first time ever because there was no previous info to build on. The basics are pretty well understood at this point. Someone who decides the basics are wrong or unimportant should expect some harsh critiquing until they prove they are smarter than those who came before.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Dec 2019, 21:24

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We could grab the 20lb sledge and help him make it fit. If you shave enough "weight" off that square peg it will fit quite nicely into a round hole with a little room to spare on the faces.

The raptor could use about a 900 pound weight reduction