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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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Back in my Lear days we'd let passengers sit up front during cruise. One day we had the VP of marketing for Xerox on board, stunning blonde about 40. We asked if she wanted to see and she said yes. Now, she is dressed in a professional women's suit. Knee length skirt, white blouse, the whole deal. Well, she encountered some difficulties negotiating her way into the right seat with that skirt so she just hiked it up past her hips and slid into the seat. Got herself settled, smoothed her skirt back in place, folded her hands in her lap looked around and said "This is really nice." I was speechless.....


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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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Mark,

Sounds like an alarm when slow on final in your videos. Is this something the right seat is hearing also when landing?



Most likely what you are hearing is the gear horn. It activates when power is retarded below a point where the plane thinks the gear should be down. It is obnoxious


Is that only throttle related? In the CJ it's speed based.

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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Is that only throttle related? In the CJ it's speed based.

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Good question. It seems to go off at any speed when the throttle is retarded beyond a certain point.

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Is that only throttle related? In the CJ it's speed based.

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Good question. It seems to go off at any speed when the throttle is retarded beyond a certain point.

On early Citation IIs it's strictly thrust lever angle (and probably adjustable to a point). In later serial numbers (I don't know the break point) it's both TLA and below 150 Kts.
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I'll give you guys the B side of the blonde story. One of the major rules of the Learjet is you do not, under pain of death, ever fart in the Learjet. So, we had this guy with up who we flew regularly and I hated having him on. He was just a slob. The cabin always looked like a tornado went through when he was on board. So here we are cruising along when suddenly my olfactory sense is just assaulted by this hideous fragrance. I seriously thought the windows were going to turn yellow. I looked over at Frank in the left seat, he looked at me with a scowl and said did you effen fart? I told him I was going to ask him the same thing. We both looked back in the cabin and there was dude all basking in his glory. I reached over and put on my O2 mask. I didn't care who saw what, just let me breathe. It was horrid.

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I'll give you guys the B side of the blonde story. One of the major rules of the Learjet is you do not, under pain of death, ever fart in the Learjet. So, we had this guy with up who we flew regularly and I hated having him on. He was just a slob. The cabin always looked like a tornado went through when he was on board. So here we are cruising along when suddenly my olfactory sense is just assaulted by this hideous fragrance. I seriously thought the windows were going to turn yellow. I looked over at Frank in the left seat, he looked at me with a scowl and said did you effen fart? I told him I was going to ask him the same thing. We both looked back in the cabin and there was dude all basking in his glory. I reached over and put on my O2 mask. I didn't care who saw what, just let me breathe. It was horrid.

For those unfamiliar, the outflow valves on the Lear are located on the forward pressure bulkhead behind the rudder pedals. The crew can offend each other without involving the pax, but anything that happens in the cabin goes past the crew on its way out.

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I'll give you guys the B side of the blonde story. One of the major rules of the Learjet is you do not, under pain of death, ever fart in the Learjet. So, we had this guy with up who we flew regularly and I hated having him on. He was just a slob. The cabin always looked like a tornado went through when he was on board. So here we are cruising along when suddenly my olfactory sense is just assaulted by this hideous fragrance. I seriously thought the windows were going to turn yellow. I looked over at Frank in the left seat, he looked at me with a scowl and said did you effen fart? I told him I was going to ask him the same thing. We both looked back in the cabin and there was dude all basking in his glory. I reached over and put on my O2 mask. I didn't care who saw what, just let me breathe. It was horrid.

For those unfamiliar, the outflow valves on the Lear are located on the forward pressure bulkhead behind the rudder pedals. The crew can offend each other without involving the pax, but anything that happens in the cabin goes past the crew on its way out.


Knew I left something out. The downside of posting while at a wrestling meet.....
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I have a friend that has had a colostomy. Even with the pressurized cabin, the bag attached to his abdomen has to be vented at times. Sounds like that wouldn't go well in the Lear :D
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Finally looked at the Blond video. To me she showed signs of apprehension from the get go. I train a lot of veterinarians (all sexs)to perform surgeries, etc. It's a common scenario. I really dont think Mark did anything that didn't look totally professional to me. Sometimes you just have to have a "Wambulance" waiting. And train yourself to look for apprehension and don't put it in the right seat.

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Dave,

Wish we were friends. Amazing you vent his bag... :bugeye:
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Interesting situation today. FL330 between SJN and ABQ. Elevator trim failure of sorts. Trim is full foward...against the stop. I feel the trim wheel acting oddly. Indictator is up against the full down stop. Yet the AP 'trim down' annunicator is lit. The aircraft is drifting up and the FD is commanding a pitch down. Hmmm. I pull elevator trim CB and try to move the trim wheel. It appears jammed. I mess with it some more and it breaks free in the nose up direction. Try to trim down but to no avail. Hits the stop. Now what?

I disconnect AP with trepidation and it takes both arms to hold the plane in level flight. Not good. Two hours from destination. .75 hours from home base. Call to center request Desrt2.inw arrival. Plenty of time to think. How will plane handle in decsent? With flaps down? Gear down? My supposition is less speed will lessen control forces. I test this and it is confirmed. Descents are another question. They require significant nose down pressure. Two hands and a knee pressure. Pulling power and deploying speed brakes help. Have to think way ahead of the situation. From upset training I know I can roll it into a 45 degree bank and use rudder as elevator in an emergency. Doing that in an extra is one thing but in a Citation? Last option, but still an option. Using power, speed brakes and control forces I get it to 12,000 over shock then 7000 at cacty. Cleared visual 21. Ease and I mean EASE the flaps in. Ok... gear down. Normal. Requires trim up...plenty of that. Reset trim CB and proceed as normal. World record soft touch down. Wow. Need a shower bad. Deodarent has full blown failed.

Things that went through my mind. Can I make the destination? Critical meeting. Legal or not I can't continue. ABQ? Yeah but. More expensive, more complicated. Airplane is manageable. SDL gives me time to work through it slowly, Declare? Hmmmm. I am in control...hold that thought.

It took a lot of brain power and sweat.(hence the shower).


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Interesting situation today. FL330 between SJN and ABQ. Elevator trim failure of sorts...

WELL DONE, Mark. You handled your situation like the pro that you are.

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Did you figure out the failure?

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Holy crap...that is scary. You are on the ground safe. All else is secondary. Congrats!


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Did you figure out the failure?


No. They are going to have to open it up. There is a gear/Pully problem. Something is jumping the shark. Total puzzle.

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