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Post subject: Re: Cirrus G3 Vision Jet  Posted: Today, 10:21 |
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Username Protected wrote: If Cirrus had built a turboprop, it would have failed. It might have been a great airplane, but it would have tanked. This basically admits the jet engine choice is a gimmick. It exists not to provide any practical benefit, it doesn't over a turboprop and indeed it has several negatives, but just so the owner can proudly tell people they fly a "jet". Lots of businesses make lots of money catering to egos, and it seems the design of this product does that very well. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus G3 Vision Jet Posted: Today, 10:23 |
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Username Protected wrote: The right seat of the M2 is pretty uncomfortable, but the left isn't. We mentored a client for a year in an M2, we got the right seat to move back 1 click by removing the chart holder. The left would go back another click and at 6'2 I found the left quite pleasant, much more so than the straight CJ as the dash was further in and the center console was minimized. Haven't they fixed this in the M2 Gen 2, the comfort factor?
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus G3 Vision Jet Posted: Today, 11:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: Yeah, I got to fly the M2 from the right seat. It was miserable for me as far as comfort goes. I'm 6'2" and it was a crawl to get in and out, and no fun at all once in the seat.
I worried about this for my plane (which basically has the same cockpit layout as the M2). I am also 6'2".
But I have found the cockpit to be reasonably comfortable. My front seats have 3 degrees of freedom, tilt, elevation, and depth, and if you get those right, it works quite nicely. The control column through the floor hasn't been an issue.
I did get rid of the avionics pedestal so the access to the seat is VASTLY easier. What a difference that makes. It still takes a tiny bit of "Citation yoga" to get in and out, but nothing like it was before, and less than my MU2 was.
I fly with passengers in the right seat at times and they don't seem to have trouble or complaints. I've had people up to 6'6" in the right seat.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus G3 Vision Jet Posted: 52 minutes ago |
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Username Protected wrote: The right seat of the M2 is pretty uncomfortable, but the left isn't. We mentored a client for a year in an M2, we got the right seat to move back 1 click by removing the chart holder. The left would go back another click and at 6'2 I found the left quite pleasant, much more so than the straight CJ as the dash was further in and the center console was minimized. Haven't they fixed this in the M2 Gen 2, the comfort factor?
Not in my opinion. I've owned an SF50, an M2, and now a CJ3+. The Gen 2 has curve to the cabinetry behind the pilot seat, that helps add an inch or two of recline, but that was added in M2 versions prior to the Gen 2. The early ones had a tad less recline ability. I also owned a TBM 960. I find the cockpit seating in the Citation to be the worst of the bunch. I'm not exaggerating when I say that my wife sometimes says we should go back to the SF50, just because she finds the cockpit so uncomfortable in the 3+. She's 5'4" and 140 lbs.
If I were to downsize, the SF50 would be my plane of choice. It is not as versatile as the SETP's, but it is by far the quietist, and most comfortable. I despise the Jetstream and Williams programs, but the airplane sells new for almost $1M to $2M less than a new Epic, M700, or TBM 980. As Mike C has explained, you can pay for some stuff if you save some $ on capital expenditure. In the case of the SF50, it goes to Cirrus and Williams!
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus G3 Vision Jet Posted: 31 minutes ago |
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I love Cirrus and Cessna's product evolutions. "We've included a lighted ashtray and some fancy wingtip lights...it will revolutionize aviation." At least the CJ4 Gen3 finally has a Garmin flight deck, that's a least is a notable model evolution.
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