I agree and it's an expensive experiment to have to back pedal on.

For now, the Universe made the decision for me. Now I'm getting quotes for HSI, wing pull etc. on my plane since I won't be trading it in.

My guess would be he already knows what his next plan is and is smart enough not to divulge that information when it may work against him in the sale of this one

Some people overshare and lose all of their leverage

There are so many ways to look at your situation that I don't think there's a right or wrong direction. The thing is that you really do fly a lot of hours, and I doubt you're going to fly less regardless of what you're in. I know you're apprehensive to use a jet for short legs, but maybe you should try it. I think there's a chance you might be more comfortable with it than you think. I think you should continue to shop. Go find a P300. Find a CJ3+. Demo them a few times. Pay for the demos if you need to. Take the time to answer your own questions. I think you've likely done some of this already, just go do it some more. Who knows, maybe the jet market will soften over the next 12 months and by the time you’re selling your PC12, you'll have something under contract.

We agree on more than you know.

It's just that when we disagree, we really disagree.

You know, type A personality and all...

Pee one eighty.....

OK, I'll shut up.

But realistically, where they gonna go with it?

1. There are no engines they can stick on it to make it go faster.
2. There is no real way to redesign wing to reduce drag without losing the exempted stall speed it already has.
3. It's not gonna be able to go any higher, because you can't get above FL280 without a secondary pressurization backup.
4. It's not going to get any roomier.

OK, so maybe they'll be able to stick a G3000 in there or something, change the trim a bit. But does constitute a serious update?

I wouldn't hold my breath for the PC12 changing much more than that.

Look at it this way..... a 2008 PC12 and a 2008 CJ2+ are the same price on the used market. A Phenom 300 is 2X=3X that price. Yes I can get a jet for the same price as my PC12 but not one that can do what I need it to do. Even a used CJ3+ is asking $6.8MM. A new Phenom 300 is $10MM and a new PC24 is $10MM

If you had $100MM in the bank, would you spend 10% of your net worth on a jet? Serious question.

I went to the PC12 dealership yesterday with my money to buy an airplane that was sitting right there in the hangar and they told me "no". These PC12's are hot.

I've demo'd both many times. "Wanting" one is not the issue. I want one.

The issue is coming to terms with the $$. "Jet" means a lot of different things. Many jets I can even up trade for for the PC12. The one's I want I can't.

My PC12 already certified to FL300
Denali marketing claims certification to FL310 (I think it'll be higher)

I think Pilatus will redesign the PC12. It's the same concept as the P180. Get close to jet speeds with the efficiency of a turboprop.

Why not one of the 67A powered King Air 350s? You get that 300+ knots you have been looking for and maintain that cabin class feel that you like. Sure, fuel burn and maintenance are probably up a bit but it can’t be anything like a P300. Additional training should be reasonable.

Good luck in your search.

A neighbor parted with his 180hp C172 and moved to a 310. He wanted to go further and faster. But after the honeymoon phase, he got frustrated that he couldn't get into many of the airports he wanted to visit, and he found himself not wanting to pull the airplane out for short trips because it cost so much to operate. Now barely a year later the 310 is gone and he's trying to find a cessna single as nice as the one he used to have.

Jason, you are certainly in a different pay grade than my friend and I, but to me it sounds familiar. His uprated skyhawk fit his lifestyle perfectly and it seems like you have much the same situation.

Range and Useful load is the problem there. PC12 hauls more and goes a lot farther on full fuel.

Yup.... same problem.

I think SETP will continue to take over the small to mid size jet market for the same reason. Pilatus has sold every plane they built this year and the few demonstrators they have left they don't want to sell because then they won't have anything to demo.