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Post subject: Re: Best t-prop or jet for $1.3m?  Posted: 16 Nov 2017, 12:00 |
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If I only had 1.3 mil for a plane, I would probably be equally sensitive to direct operating costs as well. So here you go. Most efficient and cheapest to operate modern turbine. Almost new, state of the art integrated avionics which will be able to be upgraded to Garmin Nxi for a nominal cost. You could probably fly the rest of your life before engine overhaul is needed, flying the typical 100-150 hours per year. Attachment: 2.jpg Attachment: 1.jpg
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Post subject: Re: Best t-prop or jet for $1.3m? Posted: 16 Nov 2017, 12:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: If I ONLY had 1.3 mil for a plane, I would probably be equally sensitive to direct operating costs as well. 99% of the public would not understand this statement.
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Post subject: Re: Best t-prop or jet for $1.3m? Posted: 16 Nov 2017, 12:56 |
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Username Protected wrote: If I ONLY had 1.3 mil for a plane, I would probably be equally sensitive to direct operating costs as well. 99% of the public would not understand this statement.
Ha, everything is relative.
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Post subject: Re: Best t-prop or jet for $1.3m? Posted: 16 Nov 2017, 14:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: It looks like 19 have sold in that last six months... and that's just 100's not 100E or 100EV
The days on market were not bad... less than 6 months in most cases...
I think they may be selling a little better than you think.
Controller is always full of airplanes that are not really for sale... or have already sold. Listing brokers need ads so they typically leave them up as long as possible. So 28 used NON E and NON EV Phenoms change hands every year? Only 350 Phenom 100's have been built and that includes the E and EV. Your number doesn't even include new sales. There are 6 Phenom 100's flying right now compared to 66 PC12's and I'll bet 28 used PC12's don't change hands in year. Where are you getting this "19 sales in 6 months" number?
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Post subject: Re: Best t-prop or jet for $1.3m? Posted: 16 Nov 2017, 16:12 |
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Username Protected wrote: It looks like 19 have sold in that last six months... and that's just 100's not 100E or 100EV
The days on market were not bad... less than 6 months in most cases...
I think they may be selling a little better than you think.
Controller is always full of airplanes that are not really for sale... or have already sold. Listing brokers need ads so they typically leave them up as long as possible. So 28 used NON E and NON EV Phenoms change hands every year? Only 350 Phenom 100's have been built and that includes the E and EV. Your number doesn't even include new sales. There are 6 Phenom 100's flying right now compared to 66 PC12's and I'll bet 28 used PC12's don't change hands in year. Where are you getting this "19 sales in 6 months" number?
Whadda ya trying to do bud? Start some trouble roun heh?
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Post subject: Re: Best t-prop or jet for $1.3m? Posted: 16 Nov 2017, 16:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: Where are you getting this "19 sales in 6 months" number? Per FAA registry there have been 26 registrations issued to Phenom 100 since 5/1/17. That includes sales, renewals and other transfers. Can 19 out of those be sales? They sure can....
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Post subject: Re: Best t-prop or jet for $1.3m? Posted: 16 Nov 2017, 17:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: Where are you getting this "19 sales in 6 months" number? Per FAA registry there have been 26 airworthiness certificates issued to Phenom 100 since 5/1/17. That includes sales, renewals and other transfers. Can 19 out of those be sales? They sure can....
How often do you have to renew your air Cert?
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Post subject: Re: Best t-prop or jet for $1.3m? Posted: 16 Nov 2017, 17:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: Where are you getting this "19 sales in 6 months" number? Per FAA registry there have been 26 airworthiness certificates issued to Phenom 100 since 5/1/17. That includes sales, renewals and other transfers. Can 19 out of those be sales? They sure can....
A new airworthiness cert is issued when a used airplane is sold to a new owner?
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Post subject: Re: Best t-prop or jet for $1.3m? Posted: 16 Nov 2017, 18:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: On the other hand if it was worded 'if I had only 1.3 mil for a plane' it would be much easier to understand  Yeah, that was more in line with what I meant. Some of these planes mentioned here have operating costs that make the 1.3 mil investment look cheap after a 3-5 years.
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Post subject: Re: Best t-prop or jet for $1.3m? Posted: 16 Nov 2017, 21:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: A new airworthiness cert is issued when a used airplane is sold to a new owner? Edit: No, but registration is.
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Post subject: Re: Best t-prop or jet for $1.3m? Posted: 16 Nov 2017, 21:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: A new airworthiness cert is issued when a used airplane is sold to a new owner? Yes.
I get a new registration, but the airworthiness cert stays the original unless you change N number.
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Post subject: Re: Best t-prop or jet for $1.3m? Posted: 16 Nov 2017, 21:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: I don't think I've ever experienced that. (I'm > 99% sure.)
I get a new registration, but the airworthiness cert stays the original unless you change N number. Jim is correct.
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Post subject: Re: Best t-prop or jet for $1.3m? Posted: 16 Nov 2017, 21:39 |
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Getting a new AWC is actually a major P in the A.
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Post subject: Re: Best t-prop or jet for $1.3m? Posted: 16 Nov 2017, 21:41 |
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Username Protected wrote: It looks like 19 have sold in that last six months... and that's just 100's not 100E or 100EV So 28 used NON E and NON EV Phenoms change hands every year?
You meant 38...
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