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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang?  Posted: 25 Jan 2017, 02:27 |
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Username Protected wrote: Again I say...it takes months to learn how to fly and years to learn when not to fly. That's a great quote Mark, I'm gunna adopt it !
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 25 Jan 2017, 07:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: A pair of these an a pair of Williams 44-4s might have me singing Too Much smash BOSS!     All for a mere 2.75M So you just want to carry the bigger stick to the fight(bar/race), heh? 
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 25 Jan 2017, 07:19 |
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It would be interesting to look at the all in operating costs of those two pilot jets with a full time pilot compared to a more expensive single pilot jet. The cost of the pilot's salary and load might not be that significant in comparison. Frankly, it's more fun to fly with someone else in the right seat anyway.
Depends on how good looking she is [/quote] Mark, It was a good decision for me and the TBM, thanks. Might have been different in a lightly loaded Lear at 500. I can't speak for Tony but with copilots you fly with, Tesla Michael notwithstanding, I'd be planeless or dead. While competition is good for the soul I don't want to be "under" my wife's! 
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 25 Jan 2017, 10:12 |
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Username Protected wrote: Say what you want, but a 1SP can be a good truck to get road time in. Especially if you hang a pair of FJ44s on it... Mike C.
The Sierra 501's are damn interesting. While I'm not shopping now, I keep looking at my "next plane" and the idea of skipping turboprop and going straight to a jet is intriguing.
The problem is that I need 1200nm range. Straight 501 doesn't do it (and uses a lot of dead dinosaurs), and even the straight CJ struggles with that range.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 27 Jan 2017, 11:18 |
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Username Protected wrote: The Sierra 501's are damn interesting. While I'm not shopping now, I keep looking at my "next plane" and the idea of skipping turboprop and going straight to a jet is intriguing.
The problem is that I need 1200nm range. Straight 501 doesn't do it (and uses a lot of dead dinosaurs), and even the straight CJ struggles with that range.
Robert This one on Controller is now down to $750k. One hell of a bargain for a jet with FJ44s... http://www.controller.com/listings/airc ... tation-500I posted this link about a month ago and it was $950k.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 27 Jan 2017, 12:29 |
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Jay, You might find some onerous inspections on these babies(100k/3yrs) per my jet guru. Williams are nice. If you learn there's more good than bad I'm all ears.  Preference would be a CJ3+. Wife needs to win powerball though.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 27 Jan 2017, 12:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: This one on Controller is now down to $750k. One hell of a bargain for a jet with FJ44s... http://www.controller.com/listings/airc ... tation-500I posted this link about a month ago and it was $950k. Unfortunately it's a straight 500, not a 501. From what I understand, the hoops required for a non-jet guy (me) to go through to get a SP waiver would be prohibitive. Also doesn't have the aft baggage mod, but I guess you could always add that. BTW, nicely done video by the broker. Robert
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 27 Jan 2017, 14:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: The Sierra 501's are damn interesting. While I'm not shopping now, I keep looking at my "next plane" and the idea of skipping turboprop and going straight to a jet is intriguing.
The problem is that I need 1200nm range. Straight 501 doesn't do it (and uses a lot of dead dinosaurs), and even the straight CJ struggles with that range.
Robert This one on Controller is now down to $750k. One hell of a bargain for a jet with FJ44s... http://www.controller.com/listings/airc ... tation-500I posted this link about a month ago and it was $950k.
2001 CJ1 asking $795,000 - http://www.jetaviva.com/inventory/14803 ... 1/525-0434
Doesn't say if engines are on TAP. Otherwise it has an expensive OH coming in 450 hours.
Also doesn't have WAAS and will need ADSB in 3 years.
This is a plane for someone to fly for 3 years or 450 hours and then part out. The market value is less then the cost of OH off of TAP and WAAS & ADSB upgrades.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 27 Jan 2017, 14:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: 2001 CJ1 asking $795,000 - http://www.jetaviva.com/inventory/14803 ... 1/525-0434Doesn't say if engines are on TAP. Otherwise it has an expensive OH coming in 450 hours. Also doesn't have WAAS and will need ADSB in 3 years. This is a plane for someone to fly for 3 years or 450 hours and then part out. The market value is less then the cost of OH off of TAP and WAAS & ADSB upgrades. It's nuts that you can grab a used jet for that type of money (same as a used SETP) however the true cost isn't $795K and the cost to run for 3 years but rather what it's going to cost to replace it in 3 yrs after the jet bug has certainly bitten you by then.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 27 Jan 2017, 15:06 |
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Jets are like crack; they get you there faster and more comfortably. Then you need faster and more comfortable. You need to be able to stand up in the cabin to get to the lav. Then you need more ramp appeal. I love to see these dealers selling their crack (at a distance).
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 27 Jan 2017, 15:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: Airplanes are like crack; they get you there faster and more comfortably. Then you need faster and more comfortable... Fixed it for you Mark! Robert
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 27 Jan 2017, 15:18 |
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Username Protected wrote:
Doesn't say if engines are on TAP. Otherwise it has an expensive OH coming in 450 hours.
Also doesn't have WAAS and will need ADSB in 3 years.
This is a plane for someone to fly for 3 years or 450 hours and then part out. The market value is less then the cost of OH off of TAP and WAAS & ADSB upgrades.
I does say on TAP elite. SMOH: 689 689 Guess I don't understand the comment.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 27 Jan 2017, 15:35 |
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Username Protected wrote:
Doesn't say if engines are on TAP. Otherwise it has an expensive OH coming in 450 hours.
Also doesn't have WAAS and will need ADSB in 3 years.
This is a plane for someone to fly for 3 years or 450 hours and then part out. The market value is less then the cost of OH off of TAP and WAAS & ADSB upgrades.
I does say on TAP elite. SMOH: 689 689 Guess I don't understand the comment.
Think we are mixing adverts up.
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Username Protected wrote:
Doesn't say if engines are on TAP. Otherwise it has an expensive OH coming in 450 hours.
Also doesn't have WAAS and will need ADSB in 3 years.
This is a plane for someone to fly for 3 years or 450 hours and then part out. The market value is less then the cost of OH off of TAP and WAAS & ADSB upgrades.
I does say on TAP elite. SMOH: 689 689 Guess I don't understand the comment.
Talking about this 2001 CJ1 - http://www.jetaviva.com/inventory/1480349768/Cessna/Citation-525-CJ1/525-0434
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