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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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Really like the backup attitude indicator on the dashboard using old fashioned red fluid.

That thing show me straight and level the whole time, I was not concerned in the least.

I had missed that looking at the small vid on I-phone. Obviously an essential back up item!

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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Mark, another great video and thanks for sharing. A must see for all pilots. :clap: :clap:

Do you think creating a short intro YouTube for your passengers like this would help or are they just going to let their freak fly anyway?

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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Mark, another great video and thanks for sharing. A must see for all pilots. :clap: :clap:

Do you think creating a short intro YouTube for your passengers like this would help or are they just going to let their freak fly anyway?


Dunno. Might scare them even more. I think Dave and Allen are spot on. Make better choices on right seaters and brief departure scenarios/ sounds etc

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The "get you head on" is interesting. I heard what sounded like that as well. Have no recollection of saying that or, more importantly, feeling like that. It surprised me but I am not sure if it actually just sounds like that is what I said. The right seat intercom is such that I doubt she heard it regardless.

I hand flew it because it is a pretty tight turn. With three altitudes 800, 2,000 and 3,000. The AP would have meant selecting heading and 2,000 then through 800 changing heading bug and then arming 2,000 then mode selecting nav. I just thought hand flying was simpler than all the button pushing. Plus Mike C has been saying you are not a real pilot if you don't hand fly ... :lol:

Never had a nervous nelly like this before...lesson learned. That's why I share. :cheers:


I think she heard what you said because her meltdown happened right after. Your comment lost her confidence.

You need to become as proficient in AP usage and button pushing as you are in hand flying. Brief the departure and plan out your button pushing sequence. If the AP flies through the radial in the turn and then intercepts it is no big deal.

It is times like those when you should be using all tools you have.

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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Love the videos Mark. Keep 'me coming. We are all learning a lot. Yes, that thing makes lots of bells and whistles on take-off. I'm sure you will brief newbies on that from now on. :clap: :thumbup:

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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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Way back in this thread I commented about a co-pilot who told me never to point out the window when flying (as in "there is the traffic"). I laughed and said what are you talking about? He said passengers get nervous when you point. I thought he was paranoid. Well...maybe not.

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Great video as I look forward to each of them so keep them coming. Also, thanks for the amount of training you provide us non-professional pilots. :thumbup: While not near your flying skills or experience I do fly often with non-pilots in right seat for business and I just try and alway tell them what I'm doing as time allows. Lol seem to ease their fears regardless if I know what I'm doing or not. :rofl:


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I think she heard what you said because her meltdown happened right after. Your comment lost her confidence.


It's possible. Or perhaps she saw body langauage or felt energy at that point. I just can't reconcile what would have made me say that. It was all pretty routine. But unless something like this happens you never know. I will have to ask her what she remembers. Maybe it was a deep seated desire on my behalf to create a sort of Stockholm situation! :rofl:

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Maybe that bottle of liquid leaked into your lap?

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Maybe that bottle of liquid leaked into your lap?

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Ha. That would explain it. I was a little chagrined looking at that bottle. Looks like a teenagers car. But what are you going to do? Need to learn how to edit that out.

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I think she heard what you said because her meltdown happened right after. Your comment lost her confidence.


It's possible. Or perhaps she saw body langauage or felt energy at that point. I just can't reconcile what would have made me say that. It was all pretty routine. But unless something like this happens you never know. I will have to ask her what she remembers. Maybe it was a deep seated desire on my behalf to create a sort of Stockholm situation! :rofl:


Ask her to watch the video then ask her what she was thinking along the way.

You had two very different realities in the cockpit.
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I heard "yaw damp on," not "get your head on." Great videos!


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I just can't reconcile what would have made me say that. It was all pretty routine. .


My guess it was when ATC asked what you were squawking and you realized you transposed digits and was annoyed with yourself.

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I heard "yaw damp on," not "get your head on." Great videos!


3:54 mark. Mark reaches down to reset something? Transponder? And he says Ah, get your head on, get your head on, get your head on. Three times. And she melts down.

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Great video.

Alright I have to ask.

Who is the lady?

What is the sound?

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