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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 22 Jan 2017, 08:40 |
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Username Protected wrote: Let it be known, anyone who does not think that an iPad is a serious cockpit necessity, is forgoing an incredible situational awareness and backup tool........
.....nice flying Mark!!! Poor man's G1000/G600. Great for legacy aircraft.
Mark, you probably have more time in the Citation than in your plane in 2016. Prefer the panel mounted stuff over the iPad and other add ons? Same info, just right in front of you. Just curious.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 22 Jan 2017, 09:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: Let it be known, anyone who does not think that a TABLET is a serious cockpit necessity, is forgoing an incredible situational awareness and backup tool........ FIFY. An Android tablet can also do the job. I use a Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 with Garmin Pilot. It is nice that I can run Pilot on my Android cell phone as a backup device. Mike C.
Mike,
Good point, but REAL pilots use a Mac
Thinking of upgrading the Mini to the new (well not so new) 9.7 iPad Pro. Use it both for flying and boating. Great tools.
However, in the plane I don't use the IPad on an approach, just a choice but I have enough moving maps in the panel. Without the maps, the iPad would be great like Mark is doing.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 22 Jan 2017, 09:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: Yet another video. Flying the ILS into KHEF (Manassas, VA). Single pilot. Note how I use Garmin Pilot on the iPad and Synthetic Vision on the 796 to help with situational awarness. When I started the ILS the ATIS was reporting 1000ovc. Turned out to be 6OVC. Let me beat you all to it...leave the iPhone alone. Mark, As usual, another great vid. Keep em coming. Looks like you really enjoy flying and doing these. Sure makes me want to fly more.... great!
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 22 Jan 2017, 09:15 |
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Love the "catfish" what a great airplane!!!
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 22 Jan 2017, 10:01 |
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Joined: 05/29/13 Posts: 14717 Post Likes: +12497 Company: Easy Ice, LLC Location: Marquette, Michigan; Scottsdale, AZ, Telluride
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Username Protected wrote: Like how you began the turn before responding to ATC. Like Manassas for D.C. area. Wish I'd been invited. Good catch. A little nuance here. Couple reasons...1) I know right where I am and 2) at the speeds the Citation flies if you talk first and then turn you can wind up with a more radical turn to stay on the arrival/approach.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 22 Jan 2017, 10:04 |
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Username Protected wrote: Mark, you probably have more time in the Citation than in your plane in 2016. Prefer the panel mounted stuff over the iPad and other add ons? Same info, just right in front of you. Just curious.
Prefer over the panel mount might be a stretch. Prefer over spending $150k to upgrade is more like it. 
_________________ Mark Hangen Deputy Minister of Ice (aka FlyingIceperson) Power of the Turbine "Jet Elite"
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 22 Jan 2017, 11:02 |
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Username Protected wrote: Good point, but REAL pilots use a Mac :D REAL pilots use an E6B. :-) Quote: Thinking of upgrading the Mini to the new (well not so new) 9.7 iPad Pro. I generally detest yoke mounted stuff, but at the size of the iPad mini (which is essentially identical in size to the Tab S2), it is manageable. Once on the yoke, then it is in front of you and can be used on the approach. It is nice to be able to look down quickly and check something like an altitude. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 22 Jan 2017, 16:03 |
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Here is a pretty unusual video. I departed KHEF yesterday with an attractive woman in the right seat. (not unusual  ). She is NOT a pilot and, unbeknownst to me, a bit edgy about flying. What you will witness is pretty much a meltdown as it happens. I show it because it was a distraction that could have become a contributor to something far worse under certain circumstances. The departure was the ARSENAL5. It was into a 800 overcast ceiling with tops around 2,000 feet clear above. Viz was good and ride was smooth. The procedure calls for runway heading (161) and a turn to 267 passing through 800 feet direct to GADZE. Cross GADZE at 2,000 and and then Casanova at 3,000 (10 miles after GADZE). This is pretty routine but a lot is happening...and fairly quickly. Not a lot of time to console a nervous nelly. To make matters more complex I transposed two digits on the transponder and was notified in the middle of the 106 degree turn while about to level out (think g forces). Throw in a change in the departure and a frequency change and I was pretty damn focused. She was reading the situation the best that she could but having zero piloting experience she was completely lost. Watch it unfold. I pretty much ignore her because of the job at hand but she is so close to a total meltdown who knows what she could have done out of instinct. I really think she thought she was about to die. hmmm. How do certain situations affect your passengers? When does it become a problem? To her credit she got straight and did well the rest of the flight. Of course, I was very aware of my body language from that point forward which was a bit of a distraction itself. Yes I should have removed my hand from power levers at V1. Perhaps her energy and concern played a role? [youtube]https://youtu.be/iyq-8l5sI8Q[/youtube]
_________________ Mark Hangen Deputy Minister of Ice (aka FlyingIceperson) Power of the Turbine "Jet Elite"
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 22 Jan 2017, 16:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: Really like the backup attitude indicator on the dashboard using old fashioned red fluid.
That thing show me straight and level the whole time, I was not concerned in the least. Funny stuff. I thought the exact same thing! Just watch the water with the MIO in it! How hard can it be 
_________________ Mark Hangen Deputy Minister of Ice (aka FlyingIceperson) Power of the Turbine "Jet Elite"
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 22 Jan 2017, 17:35 |
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Watch it unfold. I pretty much ignore her because of the job at hand but she is so close to a total meltdown who knows what she could have done out of instinct. I really think she thought she was about to die. hmmm. How do certain situations affect your passengers? When does it become a problem?
When you mumbled to yourself to get your head on contributed to her meltdown. Messing up the squawk code in the D.C. SFRA will get everyone's attention. I triple check squawk codes when around there. Cant you use your AP when flying that departure? Even if in HDG mode and VS climbs? Looks to me like you were hand flying the turn and level offs. AP handling the basic flying leaves more time for other stuff at busy times. You did the best you could do. Her safety is more important then her feelings. I usually do not invite inexperienced or high strung people into the right seat until in cruise and maybe they stay there for the landing. You have to be aware that passengers are watching and listening to every move you make. Keep your game face on at all times.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 22 Jan 2017, 17:52 |
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Username Protected wrote:
Watch it unfold. I pretty much ignore her because of the job at hand but she is so close to a total meltdown who knows what she could have done out of instinct. I really think she thought she was about to die. hmmm. How do certain situations affect your passengers? When does it become a problem?
When you mumbled to yourself to get your head on contributed to her meltdown. Messing up the squawk code in the D.C. SFRA will get everyone's attention. I triple check squawk codes when around there. Cant you use your AP when flying that departure? Even if in HDG mode and VS climbs? Looks to me like you were hand flying the turn and level offs. AP handling the basic flying leaves more time for other stuff at busy times. You did the best you could do. Her safety is more important then her feelings. I usually do not invite inexperienced or high strung people into the right seat until in cruise and maybe they stay there for the landing. You have to be aware that passengers are watching and listening to every move you make. Keep your game face on at all times.
Allen:
The "get you head on" is interesting. I heard what sounded like that as well. Have no recollection of saying that or, more importantly, feeling like that. It surprised me but I am not sure if it actually just sounds like that is what I said. The right seat intercom is such that I doubt she heard it regardless.
I hand flew it because it is a pretty tight turn. With three altitudes 800, 2,000 and 3,000. The AP would have meant selecting heading and 2,000 then through 800 changing heading bug and then arming 2,000 then mode selecting nav. I just thought hand flying was simpler than all the button pushing. Plus Mike C has been saying you are not a real pilot if you don't hand fly ...
Edit: Having said that, I could have selected VSI. Good point. I never use that function. Got to think about that as an option Never had a nervous nelly like this before...lesson learned. That's why I share.
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