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Thank goodness you aren't the king of the world, Mike. There would be no new anything, and we would all be relegated to fixing broken ass hoopties for eternity........ Not even sure I should have used green there.

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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus G3 Vision Jet
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The capex argument Mike makes is actually quite misleading.

1. He doesn’t take future resale value into consideration. Yes, the stock market has doubled, but so have the prices of many jets.

2. Like paying rent on an office, travel has a cost associated with it. That cost is deductible for business travel and the majority of jet operators are very good at taking business trips.

3. Initial tax advantages, if you buy a $4M airplane instead of a $1M airplane, that is a HUGE difference in tax savings. If you need the write-off that is a factor.

4. Nice and new equals expensive. We’re all big boys that understand that. No one is foolishly spending $4M ignoring the impact of capex! They don’t need to be told they are making some kind of a mistake! If they were that stupid, they couldn’t buy a $4M jet to begin with.

Another element is that money gets a lot cheaper for folks shopping in that price bracket. I just checked and I can get sub-5% on an equities-backed margin loan right now, and I'm at the absolute bottom end of the premium banking barrel. That's still a substantial annual interest payment but it's a hard number you can plug into Excel, and you don't have to forgo the gains in the underlying equities. I got 2% on a short-term margin loan 5 years ago, when money was basically free, so anybody that bought or refi'd back then using a similar approach is doing pretty well.

From the outside looking in, I don't particularly aspire to own an SF50 - I don't see the bang for buck in performance terms and I don't need that new airplane smell - but to sell 700 copies of a $4m airplane seems like you'd need to rely on more than finding a bunch of really dumb multi-millionaires. And if they truly have found a bunch of dumb multi-millionaires, fair play to them and shame on Beechcraft for missing the boat.


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I dunno, honestly, I see the SF50 and the PA46 turboprops as sharing the same rung on the ladder. Between the two, I find the SF50 far more comfortable.

Neither of them compares to a twin jet, big, medium, small, or really small.

On the age thing, I have pilot friends who will only buy new, period. I wish I could do the same.

I don't have millions of dollars burning a hole in my pocket. I also don't have millions of dollars worth of transportation needs either.

If I were in position to justify the buy of an SF50, I probably would. I think I'd enjoy flying it. I did enjoy the left seat time I got in it.

But I'm happy enough in the Columbia for now.


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I dunno, honestly, I see the SF50 and the PA46 turboprops as sharing the same rung on the ladder. Between the two, I find the SF50 far more comfortable.

Neither of them compares to a twin jet, big, medium, small, or really small.

On the age thing, I have pilot friends who will only buy new, period. I wish I could do the same.

I don't have millions of dollars burning a hole in my pocket. I also don't have millions of dollars worth of transportation needs either.

If I were in position to justify the buy of an SF50, I probably would. I think I'd enjoy flying it. I did enjoy the left seat time I got in it.

But I'm happy enough in the Columbia for now.


Might be surprised to find the cabin width of the SF50 is wider than a CJ4+ and there is literally no comparison in cockpit comfort. So there is that. Otherwise the CJ4+ is a great performer for 3-4 times the cost. Even my tiny PA46 has more copilot leg room than an M2. I can’t turn the yoke full deflection sitting in the M2.

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But heck, those of us slumming in the cheap seats are still living pretty comfy. There are some great deals out there on older planes/jets, and I commend Mike for what he has been able to do with so little capital outlay. My day job takes most of my time and energy. Adding managing an older plane seems daunting.

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