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Post subject: Re: Aerostar vs C-421C Posted: Today, 08:23 |
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Username Protected wrote: When at Max gross in the climb on a hot day, say ISA +10 to +15, what will the Aerostar 700 and the Cessna 421C approximate climb rates be from FL 200 to 250? Is FL 250 realistic to get to on a warm day at max gross?
Garth After takeoff the 421 just climbs about 700FPM all the way up to flight levels. slow and steady. Wastegates close seamlessly and it just keeps pulling. No mixture changes. Throttles hold in one position and the controllers do the work. No cowl flaps to mess with. Temps never seem to be an issue. It will out climb the Kingair E90 I also fly now on hot days and low flight levels. I think the 421 is nicer handling especially during the landing flare than the 90. I never had a 421 above FL230. I didn't think it made sense for the fuel burned to get there. I am typically 16K to FL210 depending on the wind. Higher if I can get a tailwind. I often get great routing because where I fly there is less traffic in the mid to upper teens a lot of the time.
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Post subject: Re: Aerostar vs C-421C Posted: Today, 09:41 |
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Joined: 12/03/14 Posts: 21024 Post Likes: +26492 Company: Ciholas, Inc Location: KEHR
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Username Protected wrote: It will out climb the Kingair E90 That says more about the King Air than the 421. I didn't realize the E90 was that lame in climb. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Aerostar vs C-421C Posted: Today, 12:39 |
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Joined: 01/10/17 Posts: 2464 Post Likes: +1831 Company: Skyhaven Airport Inc
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I should clarify Loaded hot day down low the Kingair easily beats the 421 in climb until above FL180 then I think the 421 climbs faster. Especially if trying to get on top and the Kingair has the ice vanes extended. This is E90 with -28s. no winglets. Raisebeck gross weight increase, 4 blade hartzells, full gear doors, strakes and wing lockers.
E90 is faster in cruise low 20s and carries more by a lot. Also longer range. But 62 GPH, higher cost to buy and maintain. 421 has a better cabin differential so it can go higher than the E90. Best I can do with the E90 is FL 240 and the cabin is just below 10K.
The 421s I fly are B models with the original type toothpick McCauley props so a C or C with winglets and the paddle blade Hartzells might be better? But with the gross weight increase STCs it seems to be getting awfully heavy for the available HP.
I used to think you could totally rebuild a 421 to be really nice for the cost of one PT6 overhaul. With today's pricing and age probably not.
I wish support for the 425 was better.
On the East coast with ATC the 90 is much easier to manage. On descent it's easy. 421 requires some planning.
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Post subject: Re: Aerostar vs C-421C Posted: Today, 17:04 |
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Joined: 01/08/17 Posts: 495 Post Likes: +351
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Username Protected wrote: When at Max gross in the climb on a hot day, say ISA +10 to +15, what will the Aerostar 700 and the Cessna 421C approximate climb rates be from FL 200 to 250? Is FL 250 realistic to get to on a warm day at max gross?
Garth If you look at flightaware - seems like the 421's are going to FL200 or so and it is taking 25 minutes to get there. I usually would count on about 25 minutes to FL250 from Denver area on the Aerostar. Many times we get restricted for a bit going eastbound, and I typically use 35" and 2400 for the climb. They certainly respond to the higher power settings, and most of my clients use 37" or better for the climb. You are going to use about 145 indicated for the climb in the Aerostar, which compared to most of the others in the class will put you further downrange at the top of climb. Normally I see 1200 feet a minute or so climbing through 12,000 feet at a pretty good TAS.
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Post subject: Re: Aerostar vs C-421C Posted: 14 minutes ago |
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Joined: 10/24/19 Posts: 197 Post Likes: +81 Location: Central NY, (N03)
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Username Protected wrote: When at Max gross in the climb on a hot day, say ISA +10 to +15, what will the Aerostar 700 and the Cessna 421C approximate climb rates be from FL 200 to 250? Is FL 250 realistic to get to on a warm day at max gross?
Garth After takeoff the 421 just climbs about 700FPM all the way up to flight levels. slow and steady. Wastegates close seamlessly and it just keeps pulling. No mixture changes. Throttles hold in one position and the controllers do the work. No cowl flaps to mess with. Temps never seem to be an issue. It will out climb the Kingair E90 I also fly now on hot days and low flight levels. I think the 421 is nicer handling especially during the landing flare than the 90. I never had a 421 above FL230. I didn't think it made sense for the fuel burned to get there. I am typically 16K to FL210 depending on the wind. Higher if I can get a tailwind. I often get great routing because where I fly there is less traffic in the mid to upper teens a lot of the time.
I’ve had similar experiences as Charlie described. She’s not a fast climber (especially in warm/hot weather). 700-800fpm until Flight levels, (winter it does do better). By the time I get to FL250 it’s more like 500fpm if I’m loaded. I too don’t bother going up there unless I’m certain of the tailwind. Never been above 25K.
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