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 Post subject: Re: What's so special about the Phenom 300?
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If you plan to fly 50 hours a year, go fractional or get a partner.

NetJets Card275 is $215,000 for 25 hours in a P300 with 90 blackout days per year.

50 hours thus costs $430,000 and you fly only on off peak days. Want only 45 blackout dates, Card320? That's $560,000 for 50 hours.

I had no idea how expensive frax was. Why is that?

You could buy a 501, fly it 100 hours, and scrap it every year for the cost of 100 hours on NetJets. And you can fly it on any day!

It is hard to imagine any scenario where frax is the most economical option.

Mike C.


Let me try this.

Most of us Uber.

I almost always use Uber Black.

I’m guessing you do not.

That just means that we are going to have two very different experiences.

You are going to be hard pressed to find a rich guy, flying around in a Netjets Phenom 300, and convince him to buy a 50 year old airplane, not to mention hiring a pilot to fly it.

It’s two different worlds Mike.
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 Post subject: Re: What's so special about the Phenom 300?
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 Post subject: Re: What's so special about the Phenom 300?
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If no one bought the $8m jets then there would be no sub $1m jets to buy.

Further, if their wasn't a lot of people saying to avoid the older jets, they wouldn't be $1M either.

Thus the misinformation being spread around creates a tremendous buying opportunity for those who can see past that.

The legacy Citations are easily the best entry into the jet life.

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 Post subject: Re: What's so special about the Phenom 300?
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If no one bought the $8m jets then there would be no sub $1m jets to buy.

Further, if their wasn't a lot of people saying to avoid the older jets, they wouldn't be $1M either.

Thus the misinformation being spread around creates a tremendous buying opportunity for those who can see past that.

The legacy Citations are easily the best entry into the jet life.

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Who is saying avoid older jets?
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Flight Safety is ground school, training sim sessions and then test in final sin session for Citations.


Bill,

That’s not necessarily the case at FSI. I just finished up my recurrent in the CJ3+ on Monday. I was originally scheduled for “progressive” training over 3 days. However, that requires a TCE, and not all instructors are TCE certified. In my case, the originally scheduled progressive training, turned into a single day checkride, because the TCE who was scheduled was out sick. I ended up with a different instructor each of the first 2 sim sessions, and a checkride on the 3rd day, from an altogether different examiner.

Honestly, I’m not impressed with the training. 15 hours of boilerplate slides, accompanied by instructor and participant war stories. Then, I get about 2 hours of sim training each day, much of which is spent taxiing and doing preflight initialization. Then, you get the easy basics, combined with drinking through a fire hose of improbable emergencies.

As a part 91 single pilot operator, I would be far better off with realistic scenarios, tied to my weaknesses. I know that’s not practical for FSI, but I am going to work hard to find an insurer that isn’t adamant that FSI is the ultimate training. I love the idea of some sim time for stuff that can’t be done in the plane, but I think I get better ground and flight training with a good instructor, who knows my skills and weaknesses.

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