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 Post subject: Re: Flat wing 525 vs Tamarack winglet 525 face-off
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25% less fuel. amazing!!


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What a joke and a waste of Jet-A...a complete and total waste.

And offensive to intelligence.

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25% less fuel. amazing!!


12 minutes extra flying time in the "flat wing" versus the Tamarack equipped. Yet it flew 100 extra miles, to a non-ideal fuel stop. And then had to go around a chunk of weather because of their non-ideal fuel stop.

47 minutes on the ground in CAE. Obviously, they were in no rush.

I personally am skeptical that they burned an extra 1000 LBS of fuel. Crunching the numbers, it should have been about 400 LBS more fuel, given their lower cruise altitude and climb to FL360 twice.

The takeaway for me is that Tamarack winglets aren't worth much, and the numbers that Tamarack presents are "creative" at best.


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25% less fuel. amazing!!

The ground time in CAE was a joke to. 47 mins. Common


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Oh my OCD ... that FMS panel...



Not OCD, that thing needs a cleaning.


TJ got we with his OCD when I started flying the MU-2.

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 Post subject: Re: Flat wing 525 vs Tamarack winglet 525 face-off
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So, is AOPA going to shill for them?


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So, is AOPA going to shill for them?

Already have from the look of it.

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And offensive to intelligence.

This is the thing that bothers me, and what is most likely to backfire on Tamarak: In order to believe the results of this marketing stunt we have to be either incredibly ignorant, or stupid. Anyone else is going to see right through it. Insulting the intelligence of your market demographic isn’t very good for business.

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So, is AOPA going to shill for them?

Already have from the look of it.

John what do you mean.

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Mike C... do you rent out that crystal ball of yours??


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John what do you mean.


https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all ... e-winglets

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Well, they will have to do it again.

I could not think of a way to do this worse.

This is easy people. Fly at edge of range. Have Tamarack leave right behind it. Same altitude. Have it catch up. Climb higher and then pass it. Measure it. Not difficult.

Mike C. Called it. Haters betta’ axe somebody.

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They should redo this comparison. Today didn’t work well enough to draw meaningful data. Different routes, different winds, different temperatures. Nothing to directly compare other than climbing to 41 instead of 36. Just a dud.

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So this contrived and biased example resulted in 25% improvement for the winglet plane. Let's see the example that gives the claimed 33%. :lol:

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