BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 20:59

I agree. Never take traffic avoidance for granted. It seems a little more sane once you get into class A airspace, but it's a mixed bag below.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 21:00

Username Protected wrote:

I've just never been a fan of flying around in turbine aircraft not talking to people. All it takes is busting one MOA or TFR... lose your license for six months... or worse.

Don't ever think flight following will keep you out of an airspace. I bumbled into Orlando Class B a few weeks ago on FF. They never said a word. Luckily I got away with it and filed a NASA just to be sure, but no one gave me a heads up.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 21:33

I agree with the above and flight following... I know a very good and careful pilot that busted a TFR a few years ago... it happens. Sort of like a gear up... never say never!!!

I want all the help I can get... I have an uncanny ability to spot traffic, often when the pilot can't see it at all... but I don't want to be doing 270 - 300 knots and rely on visual avoidance alone.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 21:35

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Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 21:41

Username Protected wrote:

I've just never been a fan of flying around in turbine aircraft not talking to people. All it takes is busting one MOA or TFR... lose your license for six months... or worse.

Just to clarify, I'm sure you know you cannot "bust" an MOA.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 21:43

Yup.... MOA's can't be "busted". You can fly through a hot MOA.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 21:59

Username Protected wrote:

I've just never been a fan of flying around in turbine aircraft not talking to people. All it takes is busting one MOA or TFR... lose your license for six months... or worse.

Just to clarify, I'm sure you know you cannot "bust" an MOA.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 22:00

Username Protected wrote:

True, I typed TFR... then remembered Crandall has to deal with MOA's more than TFR's. Should have changed the verbiage. The penalty for entering a MOA down there is to get buzzed by a couple of Beechjets.

MOA's go into the Flight Levels.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 22:07

Username Protected wrote:

True, I typed TFR... then remembered Crandall has to deal with MOA's more than TFR's. Should have changed the verbiage. The penalty for entering a MOA down there is to get buzzed by a couple of Beechjets.

MOA's go into the Flight Levels.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 22:13

Controllers don't always advise of such things. You need to ask if certain restricted areas or MOAs are hot. Sometimes they'll offer it without asking.

If I'm flying without talking to anyone, I'll just fly around Restricted areas. It's rare they're in my way on my regular routes though. I can fly Atlanta to Aspen and not hit 1. There are a couple North of Orlando I go around when flying to Miami. It's just not a factor.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 22:43

Flying VFR is way too much work for me.
Your telling me you fly from Atlanta to Aspen VFR at 16500? Really?
Why?

Username Protected wrote:

Controllers don't always advise of such things. You need to ask if certain restricted areas or MOAs are hot. Sometimes they'll offer it without asking.

If I'm flying without talking to anyone, I'll just fly around Restricted areas. It's rare they're in my way on my regular routes though. I can fly Atlanta to Aspen and not hit 1. There are a couple North of Orlando I go around when flying to Miami. It's just not a factor.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 23:17

Username Protected wrote:

Flying VFR is way too much work for me.
Your telling me you fly from Atlanta to Aspen VFR at 16500? Really?
Why?

I'd be more surprised if JC flies Aspen to Atlanta at 17500, given the tailwinds you can get higher up.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Dec 2017, 23:57

I used to fly in the high teens VFR sometimes with no flight following when I was younger to expedite my flight but then I realized if everyone did that the system would have to change for the worse creating more restrictions eventually for all of us. Separating traffic is really a challenge for ATC and too many cowboys flying fast planes without communicating to anyone would cause new rules that would restrict us more. I now think it is foolish and selfish to fly without at least flight following in busy areas. The small penalty in flight time is worth it in the long run IMHO.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Dec 2017, 00:22

Username Protected wrote:

I used to fly in the high teens VFR sometimes with no flight following when I was younger to expedite my flight but then I realized if everyone did that the system would have to change for the worse creating more restrictions eventually for all of us. Separating traffic is really a challenge for ATC and too many cowboys flying fast planes without communicating to anyone would cause new rules that would restrict us more. I now think it is foolish and selfish to fly without at least flight following in busy areas. The small penalty in flight time is worth it in the long run IMHO.

Bizarre post. Thank god you’re not in charge. Ha

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Dec 2017, 00:33

Username Protected wrote:

I used to fly in the high teens VFR sometimes with no flight following when I was younger to expedite my flight but then I realized if everyone did that the system would have to change for the worse creating more restrictions eventually for all of us. Separating traffic is really a challenge for ATC and too many cowboys flying fast planes without communicating to anyone would cause new rules that would restrict us more. I now think it is foolish and selfish to fly without at least flight following in busy areas. The small penalty in flight time is worth it in the long run IMHO.

Bizarre post. Thank god you’re not in charge. Ha

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