BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2016, 11:32

Username Protected wrote:

The CJ3 has 65 cubic feet of external cargo.

My commander has 70 cubic feet. That's a lot. I am laying flat and it's only 18 inches off the ground. Very big and very easy to load.

Great. How big is the door to get the stuff into the 65 cubic feet? That's the problem.... Hence the cargo door.

It's like I need the door to get to the space more than I need the space.

The passenger door on the CJ3 is really small and you'll ruin your cabinetry trying to get a mountain bike/big stuff in and out. Best to not try at all.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2016, 11:40

Cargo door is great for 50 gallon drums and dirt bikes or really big girlfriends!

You are thinking like a guy who has to put everything in cabin. On the CJ or Commander very little except for people go through the door.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2016, 11:42

Username Protected wrote:

Cargo door is great for 50 gallon drums and dirt bikes or really big girlfriends!

I have all 3. Times change

Being able to haul all your stuff removes the need to have a vacation home to keep your stuff. My plane is my vacation home.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2016, 11:47

Hey nothing wrong with a BBW!

Funny you should say that about vacation homes. I get the urge to shop real estate then realize how stupid that could be. When you have Airbnb and VRBO combined with a plane
It's hard to make sense out of buying a vacation home.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2016, 11:48

Username Protected wrote:

Hey nothing wrong with a BBW!

Funny you should say that about vacation homes. I get the urge to shop real estate then realize how stupid that could be. When you have Airbnb and VRBO combined with a plane
It's hard to make sense out of buying a vacation home.

Yup. I do the same thing.

For example, I'd rather buy a boat and stick it where I want to be and then just rent a house every time I want to go use it. Makes a lot more sense.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2016, 12:03

Username Protected wrote:

A nice Proline 21 CJ3 would serve me just fine.

How many years ago at SFB did I tell you that would be the plane for you? :cheers:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2016, 12:05

This is funny because just this past week I told my wife that we should start looking for a cabin in the mountains to get out of the heat every summer. She said, "You have one. It is in your hangar." Good point.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2016, 12:46

Username Protected wrote:

A nice Proline 21 CJ3 would serve me just fine.

How many years ago at SFB did I tell you that would be the plane for you? :cheers:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2016, 13:32

Username Protected wrote:

I always agreed with you.

Still, I went through my log book and only 30% off my flights qualify as "jet flights". I still do a lot of 250nm stuff. It's still not quite the right fit for me but I need to do it anyways.

So, you're actually doing it or thinking of doing it? Gonna sell the PC12?

If you are, you can go to Greece in that next time. :thumbup:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2016, 23:46

Username Protected wrote:

The CJ3 has 65 cubic feet of external cargo.

My commander has 70 cubic feet. That's a lot. I am laying flat and it's only 18 inches off the ground. Very big and very easy to load.

Great. How big is the door to get the stuff into the 65 cubic feet? That's the problem.... Hence the cargo door.

It's like I need the door to get to the space more than I need the space.

The passenger door on the CJ3 is really small and you'll ruin your cabinetry trying to get a mountain bike/big stuff in and out. Best to not try at all.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Aug 2016, 02:05

Username Protected wrote:

Yes. CJ3 is also much smaller cabin than PC12 but it's an itch I have to scratch. I can always go back and buy a another PC12 if I don't like it.

Selling yours will be easy, buying an equivalent replacement maybe not so much!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Aug 2016, 06:26

Username Protected wrote:

Jason - invest in some bike bags. I bought some cheap ones from nashbar. You can toss a greasy mtn bike in the back of your new cj without messing anything up.

Putting bike in the CJ means no room for people. It's not an option. The CJ3 cabin is small. Bikes would only fit in the aisle.

I don't take bikes apart to put them in the PC12 now. You put them in with wheels on and everything. Unload on the ramp and ride to the FBO.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Aug 2016, 06:27

Username Protected wrote:

Selling yours will be easy, buying an equivalent replacement maybe not so much!

Yeah. I get unsolicited offers on the pC12 all the time. Regardless, I'd end up buying a new PC12 eventually if I didn't do the CJ3.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Aug 2016, 07:50

Username Protected wrote:

Jason - invest in some bike bags. I bought some cheap ones from nashbar. You can toss a greasy mtn bike in the back of your new cj without messing anything up.

Putting bike in the CJ means no room for people. It's not an option. The CJ3 cabin is small. Bikes would only fit in the aisle.

I don't take bikes apart to put them in the PC12 now. You put them in with wheels on and everything. Unload on the ramp and ride to the FBO.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Aug 2016, 10:06

Username Protected wrote:

Jason - invest in some bike bags. I bought some cheap ones from nashbar. You can toss a greasy mtn bike in the back of your new cj without messing anything up.

Putting bike in the CJ means no room for people. It's not an option. The CJ3 cabin is small. Bikes would only fit in the aisle.

I don't take bikes apart to put them in the PC12 now. You put them in with wheels on and everything. Unload on the ramp and ride to the FBO.

Conforming cirrus jet doesn't suck