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So Gerry,

Are you putting in a chute?

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So Gerry,

Are you putting in a chute?

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No... unnecessary weight IMO. Especially where I live in Indiana.


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So Gerry,

Are you putting in a chute?

http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All- ... -and-boots


No... unnecessary weight IMO. Especially where I live in Indiana.


Many future buyers would not consider an experimental. I wonder how a chute would change that formula since it is unavailable in other certified turbine singles.

I don't understand the location argument. Isn't the goal to go places?
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No... unnecessary weight IMO. Especially where I live in Indiana.


Many future buyers would not consider an experimental. I wonder how a chute would change that formula since it is unavailable in other certified turbine singles.

I don't understand the location argument. Isn't the goal to go places?


It is, but I'll rarely be in areas that aren't flat land. It's just my travel pattern. I don't like the idea of a chute. It's just me. I like to have a say where I come down at.

I've never understood the allure of a chute but that's just me.

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It is, but I'll rarely be in areas that aren't flat land. It's just my travel pattern. I don't like the idea of a chute. It's just me. I like to have a say where I come down at.

I've never understood the allure of a chute but that's just me.


it's not just you, I'm the same way, I don't know that it's a right or wrong attitude to have, and I hope nobody is ever reading this shaking their head thinking "if he only had a chute"

Once you pull the chute, you're just a passenger- I prefer to stay a pilot as long as possible, maybe we think the same way?


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Gerry,

I hear you. 80% of my flying is over areas where there is nowhere to go. I'd rather enter that environment with the smallest footprint possible. Flying a turbine single is just as good (or better) than a piston twin so its likely a non event.

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I hear you. 80% of my flying is over areas where there is nowhere to go. I'd rather enter that environment with the smallest footprint possible. Flying a turbine single is just as good (or better) than a piston twin so its likely a non event.


Well and that's the way I look at it. The only time I can think of where I may say "crap I wish I had a chute" would be if a wing fell off. Like others have said. I'd like to be a pilot for as long as I can. I don't like the idea of losing total control.


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It is, but I'll rarely be in areas that aren't flat land. It's just my travel pattern. I don't like the idea of a chute. It's just me. I like to have a say where I come down at.

I've never understood the allure of a chute but that's just me.


it's not just you, I'm the same way, I don't know that it's a right or wrong attitude to have, and I hope nobody is ever reading this shaking their head thinking "if he only had a chute"

Once you pull the chute, you're just a passenger- I prefer to stay a pilot as long as possible, maybe we think the same way?


Now I'll argue with Gerry about the color. I still like the blue and grey :D .......

However, I believe the chute is a very good option to have. It gives you just that, options. The chute statistics have proven to be incredible effective and have a greater than 90% success rate.

You may both all great pilots but there are many scenarios where that simply does not matter.

I like the Epic, great airplane. Resale value for me personally buying one would be, if it has a chute, it's instantly worth 200k more than one without.

My opinion is that in less than 5 years, a GA plane without a chute will be like one without seat belts.
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How much useful load would the chute eat?

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How much useful load would the chute eat?

80lbs per the article

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it's not just you, I'm the same way, I don't know that it's a right or wrong attitude to have, and I hope nobody is ever reading this shaking their head thinking "if he only had a chute"

Once you pull the chute, you're just a passenger- I prefer to stay a pilot as long as possible, maybe we think the same way?


Now I'll argue with Gerry about the color. I still like the blue and grey :D .......

However, I believe the chute is a very good option to have. It gives you just that, options. The chute statistics have proven to be incredible effective and have a greater than 90% success rate.

You may both all great pilots but there are many scenarios where that simply does not matter.

I like the Epic, great airplane. Resale value for me personally buying one would be, if it has a chute, it's instantly worth 200k more than one without.

My opinion is that in less than 5 years, a GA plane without a chute will be like one without seat belts.


Are you looking at an Epic?

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How much useful load would the chute eat?

80lbs per the article


That's relatively 8 kts I'd lose on my TAS. I'll take the extra knots, lol.

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I'll never understand the resistance to having the 'chute if it's available and you can afford it. Emergencies rarely happen under ideal conditions, and the chute is just another tool to bail yourself out of a bad situation. It's also nearly 100% effective at making sure you walk away. Keeping all that "control" for yourself... maybe 50/50 at best.

You're literally betting your life and others on those odds. If it's me, that's not a bet I'd chance.

Does it even add 2% to the cost of the plane? Does it reduce the useful load enough to compromise the utility of the plane?

I've searched for plenty of planes that were crashed by pilots who thought they could handle such an emergency... I can tell you with 100% confidence that when things start going really bad that unless you're Chuck Yeager or damned lucky, you probably can't handle it.

Michael, I think it's going to take more than 5 years for that change to come, but I do think it's coming. As long as it remains optional for new airplanes, I think that we're looking at more like 20 years.


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