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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II  Posted: 28 Oct 2016, 20:17 |
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Username Protected wrote: ILS1 at KIMT. 400 OVC @ 4. Nothing particularly remarkable. Just low IFR approach SP in a jet.
[youtube]https://youtu.be/0XlzquYKp1w[/youtube] Did you forget the ignition Mark, no weird sound watching that one. Andrew
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 28 Oct 2016, 20:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: ILS1 at KIMT. 400 OVC @ 4. Nothing particularly remarkable. Just low IFR approach SP in a jet.
[youtube]https://youtu.be/0XlzquYKp1w[/youtube] Did you forget the ignition Mark, no weird sound watching that one. Andrew
Moi? The hell you say?  Guilty.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 28 Oct 2016, 22:59 |
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Username Protected wrote: Moi? The hell you say? Guilty. Haha. Couldn't see those green lights, I've never ever done that  Andrew
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 28 Oct 2016, 23:48 |
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Username Protected wrote: Moi? The hell you say? Guilty. Haha. Couldn't see those green lights, I've never ever done that Andrew
Can't get away with anything on BT!!
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 29 Oct 2016, 09:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: I have always felt safe in the 310. Let me just say I feel a lot safer in the jet. Amen Brother! 300+ hours of multi turbine time in the last 6 months between the 550 and 425. Has sure made me feel the same.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 29 Oct 2016, 10:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: I have always felt safe in the 310. Let me just say I feel a lot safer in the jet. Amen Brother! 300+ hours of multi turbine time in the last 6 months between the 550 and 425. Has sure made me feel the same.
And to think I was your first 
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 29 Oct 2016, 10:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: Nicely done Mark!
Why iron mountain? Marquette below minimums? No. I came out of KSAW. 310 was at Kimt
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 29 Oct 2016, 14:41 |
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Username Protected wrote: Nicely done Mark!
Why iron mountain? Marquette below minimums? No. I came out of KSAW. 310 was at Kimt
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 29 Oct 2016, 19:06 |
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Really enjoy your videos Mark. Keep them coming.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 30 Oct 2016, 20:15 |
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I started reading this thread 3 days ago. Very informative, from Dave's original post to Mark's videos.....So I have reached the end of all 77 pages in this thread. Very interesting. One question that I don't understand is this.....
RVSM costs a pretty penny. Almost all aircraft now have GPS and RAIM to check for errors. With WAAS you get within 4 feet accuracy vertically, so why don't aircraft and ATC use the aircraft's GPS derived altitude? Even with RVSM equipped aircraft, the altimeters must have some error in them so what am I missing?
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 30 Oct 2016, 20:52 |
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Username Protected wrote: I started reading this thread 3 days ago. Very informative, from Dave's original post to Mark's videos.....So I have reached the end of all 77 pages in this thread. Very interesting. One question that I don't understand is this.....
RVSM costs a pretty penny. Almost all aircraft now have GPS and RAIM to check for errors. With WAAS you get within 4 feet accuracy vertically, so why don't aircraft and ATC use the aircraft's GPS derived altitude? Even with RVSM equipped aircraft, the altimeters must have some error in them so what am I missing?
Remy Couple thoughts. Airlines don't have WAAS and neither do most legacy jets. More importantly, what would happen if the GPS system went down? You would have a massive problem on your hands. All it takes is watching a commercial jet pass over or under you at 1,000 feet at a closure rate of 1000kts and you will get religion about having the most accurate reliable system possible. Hence RVSM.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 30 Oct 2016, 22:56 |
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Dave, If ALL the aircraft are on the same GPS signal stream, then they would ALL be safe relative to one another. I get that the signal could go down in rare instances but then you have the standard altimeter as back up. I see all these videos of million dollar jets,and I chuckle when I see iPads and garmin gdl39 portable units still being used. I use them in my Navajo, and I think the FAA needs to embrace the latest technology. There should be an easier solution to spending 80K$ a plane to certify them. Just seems that if I can use WAAS signals to do an approach to a couple hundred feet then it should be incorporated into the RVSM systems where we are talking about 1,000 feet separations. R Username Protected wrote: Just a thought, GPS altitude can be quite a bit different than standard pressure altitude. How would you standardize? Would everyone have to go to WASS GPS?
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