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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 12 Oct 2016, 10:36 |
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Joined: 09/04/10 Posts: 3545 Post Likes: +3251
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Look forward to seeing you Sunday. We'll both have stories to share.
Mine is about a flight last week from SDL to RIC (Scottsdale, AZ to Richmond, VA). Long day (similar beginning), single pilot in the KA, and a surprise on approach. It was about 9PM and I picked up the RIC ATIS - few at 700, 6 miles & 21/20. I'm shooting the ILS 2 and they slowed me up because American was in front of me. I pass the FAF and I can't see the airport - gee is the one cloud that's out there between me and the airport? Then a few seconds later I hear American go missed - oh boy game on. I go down to 300' (dh) and I don't even see the glow of the approach lights, wow.... So I go missed and tower asks my intentions - hmmm, I've got lots of fuel but I didn't need to file an alternate and I don't have a plan. I ask for a vector and I hear American setting up for a cat III on 16 so I tell approach I'll wait for a report from them. They get in and relay that I'll probably get in cat I so I shoot the approach. At 200' I see the approach lights and continue to where I see the runway (and 1/2 mile vis) and land. It went fine but I still wasn't happy with myself. 7 hours is a long day to end with a missed approach and another tight approach. I should have studied my route and had an alternate even if one wasn't required, knowing who would be open that late would have been helpful. However, I was happy about briefing both approaches on my way in - since it was a long day I wanted to get my brain fired up so I briefed both approaches just for that reason (not knowing I'd need them). I use SCAM for my baseline briefing (setup, course, altitude, missed) and I had both written down (writing stuff down is a great memory anchor).
I told Mark about this and he told me what I already knew - if this ended with a crash, my BT friends would have flamed me for the long day (and I would have deserved it!).
_________________ John Lockhart Phoenix, AZ Ridgway, CO
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 12 Oct 2016, 10:58 |
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Joined: 11/09/13 Posts: 1910 Post Likes: +927 Location: KCMA
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Sounds like you weren't the only one caught off guard!
Experience, now those American guys have a little more of it!
Could have easily been me in my Commander.
In hindsight temp/dew point and no wind.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 12 Oct 2016, 18:41 |
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Joined: 08/09/11 Posts: 2103 Post Likes: +2936 Company: Naples Jet Center Location: KAPF KPIA
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Username Protected wrote: Well Bruce...Scherrie and I would just turn the speaker on when flying the Commander. The controls were unattended but the AP was definitely engaged. Of course, I was younger and foolish back in the day.
Scherrie used to work at Eagle Creek.
So I am told that either the pilot or co-pilot mic could be wedged into the headrest or armrest making it accessible from the mid-cabin in case of emergency . . . Another plus for the Commander 
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 17 Oct 2016, 16:00 |
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Joined: 05/29/13 Posts: 14705 Post Likes: +12489 Company: Easy Ice, LLC Location: Marquette, Michigan; Scottsdale, AZ, Telluride
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Username Protected wrote: Mark,
I haven't asked FltPlan how much this service costs. Can you share? I do use their blocking service. Sure would save time in hot cockpit with or without fire in the hole to go over this and loaded prior to opening door on plane.... yes sirree. $199
_________________ Mark Hangen Deputy Minister of Ice (aka FlyingIceperson) Power of the Turbine "Jet Elite"
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 17 Oct 2016, 19:22 |
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Joined: 05/29/13 Posts: 14705 Post Likes: +12489 Company: Easy Ice, LLC Location: Marquette, Michigan; Scottsdale, AZ, Telluride
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Username Protected wrote: Thanks Mark. While gas savings isn't there it sure helps to have and brief in relaxed situation a new departure procedure from an unfamiliar airport. It only takes one mistake. It was awesome. I called ground and got taxi clearance. Just remember to change your transponder. So focused on flight plan I nearly forgot.
_________________ Mark Hangen Deputy Minister of Ice (aka FlyingIceperson) Power of the Turbine "Jet Elite"
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 17 Oct 2016, 19:49 |
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PDC is on the ground. When it is really handy is in a busy environment like TEB. You get PDC and call ground for taxi with your transponder code. Saves room on the frequency.
This is next:
Controller–pilot data link communications (CPDLC), also referred to as controller pilot data link (CPDL), is a method by which air traffic controllers can communicate with pilots over a datalink system.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 18 Oct 2016, 00:09 |
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Joined: 05/29/13 Posts: 14705 Post Likes: +12489 Company: Easy Ice, LLC Location: Marquette, Michigan; Scottsdale, AZ, Telluride
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[youtube]https://youtu.be/WHyZXCFyaSg[/youtube] Landing at KPWK. Windshear 10/20 knots Gusting to 26 at about 45 degrees. Working the yoke. Taint no thang 
_________________ Mark Hangen Deputy Minister of Ice (aka FlyingIceperson) Power of the Turbine "Jet Elite"
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