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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 01 Oct 2016, 08:08 |
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Joined: 05/29/13 Posts: 14651 Post Likes: +12426 Company: Easy Ice, LLC Location: Marquette, Michigan; Scottsdale, AZ, Telluride
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Username Protected wrote: Mark,
Where's Olivia by the way? She'd have straightened you out. College. Cal Poly. She spends all her timing keeping John square  Plus she would have no idea what a kln90b is!
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 01 Oct 2016, 10:21 |
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Mark thank you so much for this post. This is how we all learn. I love your analytical mind. Look forward to reading what you think you should have done differently. I know I have been disoriented a few times flying IMC approaches. It's typically something different that sets it off: much steeper than usual descent and therefore too fast, was one of them, 360 request from ATC on long final was another and a buttonology event, like yours, was a third. I had passengers each time, none of them realized what was going on. Screaming through my mind each time was: aviate, aviate, aviate. So I disconnected the AP, and hand flew the gauges (glass). With hindsight, I think I would now do this differently. I would engage the autopilot straight and level and then tell, not ask, tower what I'm doing. That fact that you mention there was a red cell on the missed makes me think you were considering the same thing. It was you who told me to do the approach in to Marquette on the other side of the published pattern and the red cells "since there is so much room and nothing in the way" I am humbled when multi thousand hour pilots like you, with every rating under the sun have these kinds of events. Thanks for sharing and I'll fly with you any time anywhere any wheater.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 01 Oct 2016, 11:24 |
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If I may offer another option for a possible miss. Rather than locking your mind into the "I really don't want to miss due to weather", tell approach or tower "if we miss, we will need an immediate turn for weather".
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 01 Oct 2016, 18:02 |
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Joined: 08/25/10 Posts: 85 Post Likes: +69
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I don't think I've ever had a flight where there wasn't at least one little thing I messed up on or wished I would have done different. I don't fly but one airplane instead of the multiple you jump in. I don't see how you or most of the guys who fly multiple airplanes do it. I can see why you always travel with the Garmin and the IPad. At least there is something familiar or the same on every flight. You were pushing buttons and fiddling with tons of stuff on the video and it looked like an old RMI dancing around to the left which would have been a total distraction. Your course indicator wasn't slaved either, was it?
When you knew stuff wasn't right, to me you did the right thing and that was to take control of the airplane and fly it. Tons of "what ifs" as there always are. You're a pilot and you flew the airplane and recognized that's what you needed to do and it all worked out plus you have a lesson for the next time. Have a memory like an elephant.
Thanks for sharing the experience and remember you're the guy who gets to fly cool jets all by yourself!
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 02 Oct 2016, 11:48 |
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Joined: 05/29/13 Posts: 14651 Post Likes: +12426 Company: Easy Ice, LLC Location: Marquette, Michigan; Scottsdale, AZ, Telluride
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Special passenger today. 9 passengers including 4 little hockey players. I felt the most pressure for an inanimate object! Would a been a hell of a crash thread! Actually shot a GPS in actual. Worked perfectly this time 
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 02 Oct 2016, 14:57 |
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Nice! The Stanley cup. How cool is that?
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