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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig. Posted: 27 Jun 2014, 08:02 |
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Username Protected wrote: In the picture you posted it shows 100.2% torque.
I don't remember much about the PT-6 but most of the turboprops I flew required the pilot to keep torque below a value that varied with temp/altitude. Actually, Jon, it shows 100.2% N1 speed; the torque is 30.8 psi, well below the limit. (And the N1 speed limit is either 101.5% or 104.0%, epending on the PT6 model.)
_________________ Tom Clements Flight Review, Inc. Cave Creek, Arizona
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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig. Posted: 27 Jun 2014, 08:12 |
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Joined: 03/09/11 Posts: 1771 Post Likes: +829 Company: Wings Insurance Location: Eden Prairie, MN / Scottsdale, AZ
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Username Protected wrote: Tom, The key man and life insurance policies I used to carry for work did not allow single engine aircraft, except Cirrus.  The parachute sold them. Never had issues for liability, hull or any other factor. Tim Hi Tim- I was referring to the aviation insurance carriers specifically when I suggested they don't differentiate between single vs twin turbines (for purposes of the pilot's insurability). Your's and Luc's comments are correct in that for purposes of key man and oftentimes a company's governing body - they may have an issue with single vs twin aircraft in terms of being a passenger on. I have many charter operators as clients who utilize single-engine turbine aircraft and they do often lose a charter over this issue due to insurance reasons.
_________________ Tom Hauge Wings Insurance National Sales Director E-mail: thauge@wingsinsurance.com
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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig. Posted: 27 Jun 2014, 09:01 |
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Joined: 01/29/08 Posts: 26338 Post Likes: +13085 Location: Walterboro, SC. KRBW
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Username Protected wrote: Ok will ask . Jason talks about his "fill the seats". But don't carry 11. Does he have a bed in the back? Just asking......
My plane has 11 seats. 3 are in my garage. It has 8 seats on board "pimp style". 
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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig. Posted: 27 Jun 2014, 09:04 |
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Joined: 01/29/08 Posts: 26338 Post Likes: +13085 Location: Walterboro, SC. KRBW
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Username Protected wrote: Don't lie Jason, you run your plane at high speeds because 278kts looks so much better than 265kts when you are validating the plane against a 295kts 350  OK, a 350 does 295 knots...... That's not a "step up". I want 450 knots for that fuel burn.
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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig. Posted: 27 Jun 2014, 09:07 |
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Joined: 01/29/08 Posts: 26338 Post Likes: +13085 Location: Walterboro, SC. KRBW
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Username Protected wrote: The comment may refer to life insurance companies that write corporate 'key man' policies. Some of them say 'no skiing', 'no private planes' and 'no singles'. Well, I'm the key man for my life insurance policy and I went through all this. "singles" has nothing to do with anything. They don't want me doing anything involving airplanes, motorcycles or skiing etc. It was a big negotiation. As for "singles are cheaper" etc....... Maybe you guys should look up what a Pilatus costs. A KA90 has 2 500HP engines. A KA250 has 2 850 HP engines A KA350 has 2 1000 hp engines. A PIlatus has 1 1600 hp engine.
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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig. Posted: 27 Jun 2014, 09:20 |
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Joined: 01/29/08 Posts: 26338 Post Likes: +13085 Location: Walterboro, SC. KRBW
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Username Protected wrote: Not me. We do the flights the PC12 guys turn down when the "Risk Matrix" for the PC12 doesn’t add up. The 100/1 departure out of Billings MT in a blizzard at 2am for example. With 4 King Air 200's we did around 1800 transports last year. How does the PC12 not "add up"? Please be specific. I gotta see this "risk matrix". Sounds official and complex Did you know there's a PC12 flying around the world right now?
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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig. Posted: 27 Jun 2014, 10:18 |
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Username Protected wrote: A KA90 has 2 500HP engines. A KA250 has 2 850 HP engines A KA350 has 2 1000 hp engines. A PIlatus has 1 1600 hp engine. C90 has PT6a-21s rated at 550 each. Maybe the older -20s had 500. Twins don't normally cruise at a much higher speed, but they climb quite a bit better. May have better short field departure characteristics. Best, Dave
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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig. Posted: 27 Jun 2014, 10:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: I have been told that the Pilatus is now the plane of choice for a lot of the Air Ambulance operators. The winds are a changing regarding SETP acceptance. I would not be surprised if the Life Insurance companies didn't drop that exclusion soon. You are correct in that - I have a customer operating 10 of them doing med transport work - it is their aircraft of choice due to operating cost, size of cabin primarily the ease of loading the patient through the massive cargo door. I agree on the life insurance comment - it makes no sense given the exemplary safety record of the PC12.
_________________ Tom Hauge Wings Insurance National Sales Director E-mail: thauge@wingsinsurance.com
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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig. Posted: 27 Jun 2014, 11:48 |
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Need to stir the pot here. You guys know that a TBM 900 does 330 Kts on 60 gph at FL280?
Not sure on the KA climbs better than a single, I don't know many C90 flying at FL270/280. Then the cabin is way up there, the TBM as 6.2 PSI so an 8000 ft cabin at FL280.
_________________ Former Baron 58 owner. Pistons engines are for tractors.
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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig. Posted: 27 Jun 2014, 12:00 |
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Username Protected wrote: Need to stir the pot here. You guys know that a TBM 900 does 330 Kts on 60 gph at FL280?
Not sure on the KA climbs better than a single, I don't know many C90 flying at FL270/280. Then the cabin is way up there, the TBM as 6.2 PSI so an 8000 ft cabin at FL280. That is definitely impressive. You are right about the cabin on the C-90's being high due to the 4.7/5.0 PSI differential. The newer 90's will be burning close to that (75ish gph) doing 260ish.
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Post subject: Re: That PC12 is biiiiiiiig. Posted: 27 Jun 2014, 14:25 |
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Joined: 01/29/08 Posts: 26338 Post Likes: +13085 Location: Walterboro, SC. KRBW
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Username Protected wrote: A KA90 has 2 500HP engines. A KA250 has 2 850 HP engines A KA350 has 2 1000 hp engines. A PIlatus has 1 1600 hp engine. C90 has PT6a-21s rated at 550 each. Maybe the older -20s had 500. Twins don't normally cruise at a much higher speed, but they climb quite a bit better. May have better short field departure characteristics. Best, Dave I don't recall seeing any KA's in and out of St. Barth so I'm not sure on your "short field" comment.
I got that engine info off the Beechcraft website for new King Airs.
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