I've said it before, and I'll say it again: The SF50 is not a, "jet".

It is a turbine single, which happens to make whistly-jet-like noise instead of buzzing-propeller-like noise. It isn't a twin engine jet, not at all. It's not exactly a SETP, but it is a SET. It fits more in line with a PA46 turboprop than it does with comparisons to twin jets.

I've flown it and I like the SF50 quite a lot. If I had a reason to use it, and the reason to spend the money on it, I'd get one. It is quite comfortable, more so than the PA46 for me anyway. The crew seats were more comfortable than the Citation M2, which is a whole lot more airplane.

No point in trying to make any sense of it. GA doesn't really make much sense in the first place. We mostly do GA because we want to.

Seems this debate has crossed the pond as well. 'Tis a jet, but is it a "proper" jet? https://youtu.be/0WlYSbbwk6Q&t=3m12s

I've heard several of those slang terms. "Nearjet" and "Slowtation" come to mind. However, since the Learjet is no longer, I'll call it the past jet instead of the fast jet.

"Income equality" means no one has a jet.

Making the rich poor doesn't make the poor rich.

Mike C.

No, they will go country shopping for one not so punishing of success and leave the USA.

And take their enterprises that employ thousands with them, including the people who make and service Globals.

If we tax wealth heavily, do you think SpaceX would exist? Or would be in the USA?

Mike C.

No, that would defeat the purpose, but it does mean no one (or few people) are poor, which means they can educate themselves and contribute skilled labor to the economy. Reduces crime and and all kinds of other problems as well. I only think this works if we have a high level of wealth disparity, such as the increasingly absurd numbers we see in the USA.

The number of successful people who can afford to fly a Bonanza would go way up, the 3 guys who own Globals personally would have to go Falcon shopping and I’m sure they’d cry bloody murder all the way down.

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I think we should start by taxing avgas and jet fuel to $15 a gallon. Then our trustworthy government can use those taxes to help the less fortunate.
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I think everyone that cant afford a jet should be regulated out of the sky.

I think it is a great concept.... But I think the true meaning of the concept is that if one guy has 2 jets, and the other guy has no jets, nobody should have a jet

Edit:Oops Ciholas beat me too it. Should read ahead before posting

I think we should start by taxing avgas and jet fuel to $15 a gallon. Then our trustworthy government can use those taxes to help the less fortunate.
Easy and fair way to have the haves help the have nots.[/quote]

I think everyone that cant afford a jet should be regulated into the sky.

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FIFY

I really hate when people feel the need to inject their political beliefs in a conversation. It's completely unnecessary and likely to piss off 50% of the people. I have lots more to say about taking from the rich to give to the poor but I will follow my own advice. Lets talk about airplanes, okay?

[quote="John M Myers"

Really? No politics including dumb ones.

No matter what the Cirrus SF50 is called, it's a single-engine turbine plane without a propeller, which makes it more desirable to me than a single engine turbine plane with a propeller.

My cousin just went from an Eclipse he bought new many years ago to a new Cirrus SF50. I have not spoke to him, but according to his son: he is about 75 years old, this is his last new airplane, he flies with his wife-so the parachute and Garmin Safe Return are important to him.

My cousin has been a pilot for at least 50 years and has owned Bonanzas, Barons, Navajos, Chieftens, the Eclipse and now the Cirrus SF50. Oh, and he traded his Cessna 206 for a Cirrus SR22.

I will add a flight report when I talk to him.

To the privileged, equality feels like oppression. Redistributing the money and resources people didn't work for themselves would make the world a better place for sure.

I admire Cirrus and it's leadership for taking the risks to build their jet. The company is a great entrepreneurial success story and a great company. I had the opportunity to get an early serial number position before I bought my TBM but just didn't think the promised performance was competitive. I'm glad they've sold a lot of them and their owners seem to love them despite all the criticism from the peanut gallery.

I took another very hard look at Eclipse last summer and was impressed with the progress that vendors and owners have made in solving parts and maintenance challenges on their fleet. The planes on the market then, and probably today, were incredible bargains for the performance they offered. I got close to pulling the trigger...but decided the Piaggio was a better option - for me. I wouldn't hesitate to buy an Eclipse with a shorter average mission.