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 Post subject: Re: Another Adventure - PA-32R-301T Turbo Saratoga SP
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Twin pilot going to single?? Early Alzheimer’s?


Still flying a twin as well.


Yeah. Noticed the Navajoe in the hangar. Gigs up!
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 Post subject: Re: Another Adventure - PA-32R-301T Turbo Saratoga SP
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Thats my old Navajo. Dr White had it in the same shop for maintenance.

It was nice to see it in perfect condition. Man that was a sweet plane.

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 Post subject: Re: Another Adventure - PA-32R-301T Turbo Saratoga SP
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Solid IMC for hours. Rain, snow, night... warm, smooth, comfortable. This is an EXCELLENT single for cross-country flying. Dual static, dual heated stall, copilot instruments, great boots, hot prop, the defrost clears the entire windshield (not sure I’ll ever need the hotplate). With all of the room in the back the kids can spread out like they’re in a minivan. They have their own music so they watched movies and listened to their audio while Mom and I did the same up front.

Weather nav was easy with onboard XM backed up by GdL52 XM and ADSB. Synvis was a great backup for following 87 highway home at night below an overcast with rain.

Robot tug performed flawlessly on wet surface.

Found an EXCELLENT Mexican restaurant. Lucy’s in Carlsbad NM KCNM. Self serve and free courtesy car.

Business meetings were great.

Win!


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 Post subject: Re: Another Adventure - PA-32R-301T Turbo Saratoga SP
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Solid IMC for hours. Rain, snow, night... warm, smooth, comfortable. This is an EXCELLENT single for cross-country flying. Dual static, dual heated stall, copilot instruments, great boots, hot prop, the defrost clears the entire windshield (not sure I’ll ever need the hotplate). With all of the room in the back the kids can spread out like they’re in a minivan. They have their own music so they watched movies and listened to their audio while Mom and I did the same up front.

Weather nav was easy with onboard XM backed up by GdL52 XM and ADSB. Synvis was a great backup for following 87 highway home at night below an overcast with rain.

Robot tug performed flawlessly on wet surface.

Found an EXCELLENT Mexican restaurant. Lucy’s in Carlsbad NM KCNM. Self serve and free courtesy car.

Business meetings were great.

Win!


Win, win, win indeed!
Not sure why, but I figured you for a North up guy....

:-)

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 Post subject: Re: Another Adventure - PA-32R-301T Turbo Saratoga SP
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I had a trip in the jet, where I would be leaving the plane in Nashville, so I decided to risk it and do what you should never do.

I set up a meeting with Steven Givens (the seller and a BTer) to fly the plane to pick me up in Nashville after I landed in the jet. We would then do the test flight from KBNA to his shop at KCVC which is Covington outside of Atlanta, GA. I wanted to decowl and inspect, including a boroscope, and then finalize the deal.

This is not generally a good idea. In my defense I have worked on/overhauled/tuned/restored several airplanes and so I have learned how to identify issues via flight and with a cursory inspection of the airframe and engine. Still, there is no substitute for a good prebuy for the typical transaction.

My FO cancelled the jet trip at the last minute, so I called Matt Mullahy to see if he could right seat. Matt is a BTer who relocated to AZ and flies for the regionals. He also lives in my hood and is a great dude. He jumped at the chance. We did our jet trip, met with Steven in Nashville, and the adventure began...


I cant believe you bought that airplane. I use to fly the hell out of that thing for the previous owner. It is an awesome airplane. I think I still have an extra set of keys for it in the office.

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Solid IMC for hours. Rain, snow, night... warm, smooth, comfortable. This is an EXCELLENT single for cross-country flying. Dual static, dual heated stall, copilot instruments, great boots, hot prop, the defrost clears the entire windshield (not sure I’ll ever need the hotplate). With all of the room in the back the kids can spread out like they’re in a minivan. They have their own music so they watched movies and listened to their audio while Mom and I did the same up front.

Weather nav was easy with onboard XM backed up by GdL52 XM and ADSB. Synvis was a great backup for following 87 highway home at night below an overcast with rain.

Robot tug performed flawlessly on wet surface.

Found an EXCELLENT Mexican restaurant. Lucy’s in Carlsbad NM KCNM. Self serve and free courtesy car.

Business meetings were great.

Win!


Will it be more economical for you to own/operate the Citation and the piston single compared to just eating the added Citation expense on the shorter trips?


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 Post subject: Re: Another Adventure - PA-32R-301T Turbo Saratoga SP
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Okay I’ll play.

My useful load on my TAT TN 550 powered ‘76 A36 is 1,638 lbs.

What’s the useful load on the ‘Toga?

No, I don’t have a nose luggage bay, but we get everything in the luggage bay between seats 1-2 and 3-4 (which face aft). We’ve also got the newer style aft luggage bay (that came out in ‘79 I believe).

We’ve got lots of room. Lots of useful load. Lots of HP with the TAT TN 550.

What’s not to like?

:-)

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Solid IMC for hours. Rain, snow, night... warm, smooth, comfortable. This is an EXCELLENT single for cross-country flying. Dual static, dual heated stall, copilot instruments, great boots, hot prop, the defrost clears the entire windshield (not sure I’ll ever need the hotplate). With all of the room in the back the kids can spread out like they’re in a minivan. They have their own music so they watched movies and listened to their audio while Mom and I did the same up front.

Weather nav was easy with onboard XM backed up by GdL52 XM and ADSB. Synvis was a great backup for following 87 highway home at night below an overcast with rain.

Robot tug performed flawlessly on wet surface.

Found an EXCELLENT Mexican restaurant. Lucy’s in Carlsbad NM KCNM. Self serve and free courtesy car.

Business meetings were great.

Win!


Win, win, win indeed!
Not sure why, but I figured you for a North up guy....

:-)


luc real men are track up.. :lol:
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Okay I’ll play.

My useful load on my TAT TN 550 powered ‘76 A36 is 1,638 lbs.

What’s the useful load on the ‘Toga?

No, I don’t have a nose luggage bay, but we get everything in the luggage bay between seats 1-2 and 3-4 (which face aft). We’ve also got the newer style aft luggage bay (that came out in ‘79 I believe).

We’ve got lots of room. Lots of useful load. Lots of HP with the TAT TN 550.

What’s not to like?

:-)

Jim


The $100k + premium over the toga.

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 Post subject: Re: Another Adventure - PA-32R-301T Turbo Saratoga SP
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luc real men are track up.. :lol:[/quote]

Well then, there you have it....
My name is Luc, and I’m ostensibly not a real man.

My excuse is that as an ex ocean racer in sailboats I’ve been around charts since I was a little tyke. North up is just ingrained in me.
Red Bo set up with track up on the G500 and the GTN.
BUT...... on map two setting , it’s North up.
If my legs are > 200 miles, I switch to North up.
Can’t explain why....

Funny guy Chuck! Florida sun getting to you????

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 Post subject: Re: Another Adventure - PA-32R-301T Turbo Saratoga SP
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The $100k + premium over the toga.

Really?

When we bought our ‘76 A36 in 1990 it was normally aspirated and similar in cost to a Turbo Saratoga (maybe 1980 vintage?). We flew both before making the decision.

I recall the price difference being minimal and we liked the A36 better. Heck I think it was cheaper. But it didn’t have a turbo either. The TAT TN didn’t exist back in 1990, or at least not that I recall.

Very interesting.

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Okay I’ll play.

My useful load on my TAT TN 550 powered ‘76 A36 is 1,638 lbs.

What’s the useful load on the ‘Toga?

No, I don’t have a nose luggage bay, but we get everything in the luggage bay between seats 1-2 and 3-4 (which face aft). We’ve also got the newer style aft luggage bay (that came out in ‘79 I believe).

We’ve got lots of room. Lots of useful load. Lots of HP with the TAT TN 550.

What’s not to like?

:-)

Jim


Great...start a thread and detail your experience.

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Will it be more economical for you to own/operate the Citation and the piston single compared to just eating the added Citation expense on the shorter trips?


Citation is a lease situation (currently flying contract). Still building jet time toward single pilot. It will be used on long hauls and when more pax are necessary.

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I cant believe you bought that airplane. I use to fly the hell out of that thing for the previous owner. It is an awesome airplane. I think I still have an extra set of keys for it in the office.


When I picked it up it showed signs of former glory, but definitely needed some love. The gains so far have been outstanding. I may do a high-alt test flight tomorrow to see what we get.

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Great...start a thread and detail your experience.

Actually I’ve done that. More than once. Right here on BT. In a galaxy long ago and far away. I’m not interested in doing it all over again.

Enjoy your Toga.

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