BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 Sep 2016, 23:38

Username Protected wrote:

I was ready to come in and defend Commanders, but see that's already been taken care of..

Grass strip with that runway and range requirement pretty much narrows down the field. There isn't a single plane of the others mentioned that have the same big tire/wheel size. I mean, who here would bring a Conquest, Merlin, Epic or CJ to a grass strip? Be the last thing you do if it has a little rut. Commander - no problem, they love that stuff.

Just like in Detroit where you can't beat cubic inches, there's no substitute for big....tires. :thumbup:

The Epic is a fantastic grass performer.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 Sep 2016, 23:45

Username Protected wrote:

Erwin lands his bird practically in the dirt.......

Impressive. I love the Merlin, but those small wheels can't be easy to handle on anything but smooth tarmac...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2016, 00:35

If FIKI is required, I don't think any experimental will work

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2016, 00:35

Username Protected wrote:

I was ready to come in and defend Commanders, but see that's already been taken care of..

Grass strip with that runway and range requirement pretty much narrows down the field. There isn't a single plane of the others mentioned that have the same big tire/wheel size. I mean, who here would bring a Conquest, Merlin, Epic or CJ to a grass strip? Be the last thing you do if it has a little rut. Commander - no problem, they love that stuff.

Just like in Detroit where you can't beat cubic inches, there's no substitute for big....tires. :thumbup:

aaaah geez Pappa, you allowed out of the house yet?

Erwin lands his bird practically in the dirt.......

I'm a commander fan.........

The positive piece is that if we can all post actual data on our airplanes then folks will be able to make the decisions for themselves..........

Frankly there is not a bad airplane in this land, couple of bad pilots maybe :duck:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2016, 08:37

Username Protected wrote:

I believe he just said "beat the time". He didn't go into all the rest of your comparison.

As I'm sure you know it doesn't work that way. By your logic an F18 will beat a Pilatus too. But don't worry about all the other stuff. :roll:

Since you jumped in to defend Thomas, why don't you post up some numbers of a mini jet doing that flight faster since Thomas refused to do so.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2016, 09:44

Let it go Jason. I responded to a simple statement you made that was erroneous as posted. It mat not be what you meant. If you meant to include all variables, I mis-read your comment.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2016, 12:59

[quote="Michael Tarver"]What airplane can do 1500 miles west non stop? Plane will live on a 3500 foot grass strip and land at a 2800 foot paved runway. 2 people mostly. 50 foot hangar, 14ft max tail height.

i would get some extra fuel modification for the lancair evolution with a modest 30-40 gallons extra which will give you easy 1600 miles 4 people, fits in normal hangar, 28 gallons/hr 280 knots true a/s 28,000 feet. De ice boots goodrich not fiki but almost
all for a bit more than an used kingair and half the fuel consumption

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2016, 13:59

Username Protected wrote:

What airplane can do 1500 miles west non stop? Plane will live on a 3500 foot grass strip and land at a 2800 foot paved runway. 2 people mostly. 50 foot hangar, 14ft max tail height.

i would get some extra fuel modification for the lancair evolution with a modest 30-40 gallons extra which will give you easy 1600 miles 4 people, fits in normal hangar, 28 gallons/hr 280 knots true a/s 28,000 feet. De ice boots goodrich not fiki but almost
all for a bit more than an used kingair and half the fuel consumption

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2016, 14:07

Garrett powered E90, if it will fit your hangar.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2016, 14:25

Username Protected wrote:

Garrett powered E90, if it will fit your hangar.

I think I'm too cheap to own a King Air, the prop and gear items would get annoying for me. I looked that up, I don't think it will fit either.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2016, 15:09

Username Protected wrote:

What's the resell on the Evolution, these seem to sit on the market a long time; similar to the Epics and IV-P turbines.

the G900/PT6-135 ones sit for a long time, everyone wants the G3X/-42 variants, and some of these are strategically listed to prop up prices for the market, they're not really for sale if you do the homework

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2016, 20:18

When you see a thread where the Jeffs have to intervene you can bet Crandall is involved in it.

:btt:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2016, 21:35

Username Protected wrote:

What's the resell on the Evolution, these seem to sit on the market a long time; similar to the Epics and IV-P turbines.

the G900/PT6-135 ones sit for a long time, everyone wants the G3X/-42 variants, and some of these are strategically listed to prop up prices for the market, they're not really for sale if you do the homework

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2016, 21:56

Username Protected wrote:

When you see a thread where the Jeffs have to intervene you can bet Crandall is involved in it.

:btt:

I like the threads that get Crandall'd. I'm pretty sure there are several BT's who employ a couple of people full time trying to trip him up....

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Sep 2016, 22:39

Today I flew from DC to Denver. Stopped in Kansas for fuel. Had 30-45 knots on the nose the entire way. At one point I pulled it back to 360lbs while in cruise at 280 and was truing out at 263 or so. It felt really slow but that is a killer specific fuel consumption and inline with a pc12. I need to get out my climb/distance charts but I am pretty sure I could have made 1500nm into that wind assuming VFR and no busy airspace at the destination. This also assumes you dont mind landing with around 450lbs. Not saying I would do it, how wet, the plane can and it meets all the requirements, I think, of the original post.

Flew around 1350nm in 6 hours and 2 min including the fuel stop which ended up being 15 min longer than necessary bc I had to make a phone call. That included leaving busy east coast airspace IFR (which sucked as usual) and coming into Denver where 150 miles out they want you to descend to 8000.

Foreflight shows an avg 30 knot breeze on the trip so with a stop I was almost the exact same door to door time as a 260knot TAS would be non stop.

1500 miles westbound planes?