BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Sep 2016, 07:09

Username Protected wrote:

Although I would want at least 100K off the price for Textron not making it a Beechcraft product and naming it Starship II or? It would take some of the pain out of spending that much money and not being able to call it a Beechcraft. BTW I owned a Cessna years ago and loved it so I'm and not a Cessna hater just a Beechcraft lover.

from it's tail and the form of the fuselage…it does seem to have some KA 200 genes in there..

however I do understand why Textron will run it under the Cessna name…

makes it easier for Beechcraft to promote their twin King Airs….less conflict of interest in the marketing department...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Sep 2016, 09:47

Now make it a counter-rotating twin prop up front, like a Fairey Gannet, and even I might be interested...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Sep 2016, 09:57

For an 8-11 seat airplane, there sure isn't much baggage space. With the lav in the back, it's going to be hard to change that. I like the externally serviced lav though.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Sep 2016, 11:47

Username Protected wrote:

Now make it a counter-rotating twin prop up front, like a Fairey Gannet, and even I might be interested...

look at the angle-of-incidence - it took every trick in the book to get this truck off the ground :cross:

Randy

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Sep 2016, 22:47

Username Protected wrote:

Now make it a counter-rotating twin prop up front, like a Fairey Gannet, and even I might be interested...

look at the angle-of-incidence - it took every trick in the book to get this truck off the ground :cross:

Randy

Username Protected · **Posted:** 08 Sep 2016, 16:19

They say that an image is worth a thousand words

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Username Protected · **Posted:** 08 Sep 2016, 18:23

Username Protected wrote:

They say that an image is worth a thousand words

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The PC12 just looks better built...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 08 Sep 2016, 19:25

Username Protected · **Posted:** 08 Sep 2016, 21:57

20% less operating cost.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 08 Sep 2016, 22:05

Username Protected · **Posted:** 08 Sep 2016, 22:16

Username Protected wrote:

ha

I do believe you meant HA! :coffee:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 08 Sep 2016, 22:18

The most prolific Turboprop ever built... rabid following... a legacy like no other... the KING AIR... they build a new turboprop and they call it a Cessna...

Shake my damn head! :crazy:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 08 Sep 2016, 23:13

Curious, a few have commented that it looks like it has some KA features and Beech legacy.
Where?

To me, this looks more like a Citation, look at the wing, the fuselage, even the avionics. (Cessna went Garmin a long time ago, Beech stuck with Collins).
In addition, Textron is building the Scorpion, mostly based on Cessna parts. It seems like they are poaching more from the Cessna side of the house then Beech.

Tim

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Sep 2016, 14:29

If reliability can't match Pilatus, 20% less operating costs won't mean much.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Sep 2016, 15:55

Username Protected wrote:

Curious, a few have commented that it looks like it has some KA features and Beech legacy.
Where?

To me, this looks more like a Citation, look at the wing, the fuselage, even the avionics. (Cessna went Garmin a long time ago, Beech stuck with Collins).
In addition, Textron is building the Scorpion, mostly based on Cessna parts. It seems like they are poaching more from the Cessna side of the house then Beech.

Tim

It will be interesting to learn what went into the design, they call it a "clean sheet" but we know that's rare... too easy to incorporate proven designs. I haven't had the opportunity to look at it in person and can't tell enough by the pictures... but I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the Mustang M2 was a big influence.

As far as the avionics, both Cessna and Beechcraft have been locked into Collins contractually for many years. One of the reasons Citation started building the Mustang was to give it a new model designation so they could include Garmin Avionics. Could it be that Beechcraft didn't have any wiggle room in their Collins agreement and that influenced the decision to make the Denali a Cessna?

So far the only Citations with G1000 are Mustangs and then the CJ3+ with G3000 (rare), Sovereign+, Lattitude and TEN+ have G5000

CESSNA DENALI SINGLE ENGINE TURBOPROP