BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Jul 2016, 22:40

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Recent B350 was $5600.00

Bill, that is annual cost, right? That doesn't seem to bad.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Jul 2016, 22:45

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I agree which is why I'm leaning towards a late model CJ3 for under $4MM. My PC12 has a nice patina to it. I don't get all pissy over people eating and drinking on board. I love having lunch on the plane on a long flight.

I sat in a brand new Phenom 300 yesterday with white seats and black cabinetry. It was beautiful. All I could visualize was me yelling at everyone for trying to eat and drink on board.

"take your shoes off", "don't put your feet on the seat".... forget it.

I've grown tired of the avionics battle when Foreflight is so awesome. A nice Proline 21 CJ3 would serve me just fine.

Aren't you gonna miss the cargo door?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Jul 2016, 22:49

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I agree which is why I'm leaning towards a late model CJ3 for under $4MM. My PC12 has a nice patina to it. I don't get all pissy over people eating and drinking on board. I love having lunch on the plane on a long flight.

I sat in a brand new Phenom 300 yesterday with white seats and black cabinetry. It was beautiful. All I could visualize was me yelling at everyone for trying to eat and drink on board.

"take your shoes off", "don't put your feet on the seat".... forget it.

I've grown tired of the avionics battle when Foreflight is so awesome. A nice Proline 21 CJ3 would serve me just fine.

Aren't you gonna miss the cargo door?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Jul 2016, 23:29

Lol, I dont think so. It doesnt fit my mission.

I agree with Jason on the too many jets for so few buyers.
I got 2 friends that bought M2 cheaper than a TBM 900 but they all have problems with it.
They miss their TBM.

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Jason,

You should look at the CJ4. It's a "real" jet and will haul your loads and is single pilot. "Real" = speed, altitude and range.

I'm proposing the CJ4 will be Marc's next ride too.[color=#00BF00][/color] (Easy for me to do).

He will have to extend his Rwy though.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2016, 01:13

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Hi Andy. I'm not saying I get it either, the range thing. I really do think that the Miami to NY, NY route is a biggy. 800 won't cut it. And only one or two passengers won't cut it. Out goes the Eclipse, the Mustang. In comes the M2 and it's still not selling much.

Range is a biggie. I go LA to Vancouver all the time for work (sadly on airlines mostly recent years). That's 940nm direct. Add a headwind, IFR reserves and you need 1200nm. It's ridiculous that most VLJ's can't even manage that. It's a silly 4 hour flight - any plane should be able to do that. Except for an Eclipse, Mustang, 100, SF50, Hondajet, that is...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2016, 04:39

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Lol, I dont think so. It doesnt fit my mission.

I agree with Jason on the too many jets for so few buyers.
I got 2 friends that bought M2 cheaper than a TBM 900 but they miss their TBM]

I follow the citation pilots board. That's certainly not the drift I pick up. Sure, new product, teething pains, but what a capable plane.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2016, 06:54

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Range is a biggie. I go LA to Vancouver all the time for work (sadly on airlines mostly recent years). That's 940nm direct. Add a headwind, IFR reserves and you need 1200nm. It's ridiculous that most VLJ's can't even manage that. It's a silly 4 hour flight - any plane should be able to do that. Except for an Eclipse, Mustang, 100, SF50, Hondajet, that is...[/quote]

Adam,
TBM 900/930 does this 1200nm without blinking. Makes it much more versatile.

Airlines stink! Minneapolis -ORD- Evansville and a one hour T'storm passing thru ORD screwed the pooch for the rest of the day. Bunks all over the terminal at ORD. Flying commercial truly "hurts". I rue the day I have to live daily with them again...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2016, 07:15

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Hi Andy. I'm not saying I get it either, the range thing. I really do think that the Miami to NY, NY route is a biggy. 800 won't cut it. And only one or two passengers won't cut it. Out goes the Eclipse, the Mustang. In comes the M2 and it's still not selling much.

Range is a biggie. I go LA to Vancouver all the time for work (sadly on airlines mostly recent years). That's 940nm direct. Add a headwind, IFR reserves and you need 1200nm. It's ridiculous that most VLJ's can't even manage that. It's a silly 4 hour flight - any plane should be able to do that. Except for an Eclipse, Mustang, 100, SF50, Hondajet, that is...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2016, 08:17

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Thanks for the example I flight planed this and could do this trip non stop with a 35 knot headwind with ATC routing (979 NM). Since today the wind are only 16 knots no problem.

But assuming that you have to stop your still ahead of flying the airlines due to security Etc......

And that range is with how much load/passengers?

I love the Eclipse for personal flight. The Garmin 3000 is going to move this plane way up. New wings right? New motors? Awesome. Now I have to get past that sour taste the management put in my mouth.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2016, 08:56

One owner had so much issue with his M2 that Cessna took it back and gave him a new one. They flew im around in CJ-3/4 /other M2 until it got fix.

Username Protected wrote:

Lol, I dont think so. It doesnt fit my mission.

I agree with Jason on the too many jets for so few buyers.
I got 2 friends that bought M2 cheaper than a TBM 900 but they miss their TBM]

I follow the citation pilots board. That's certainly not the drift I pick up. Sure, new product, teething pains, but what a capable plane.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2016, 09:25

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Aren't you gonna miss the cargo door?

Yes. CJ3 is also much smaller cabin than PC12 but it's an itch I have to scratch. I can always go back and buy a another PC12 if I don't like it.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2016, 09:32

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Thanks for the example I flight planed this and could do this trip non stop with a 35 knot headwind with ATC routing (979 NM). Since today the wind are only 16 knots no problem.

But assuming that you have to stop your still ahead of flying the airlines due to security Etc......

And that range is with how much load/passengers?

I love the Eclipse for personal flight. The Garmin 3000 is going to move this plane way up. New wings right? New motors? Awesome. Now I have to get past that sour taste the management put in my mouth.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2016, 10:06

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Aren't you gonna miss the cargo door?

Yes. CJ3 is also much smaller cabin than PC12 but it's an itch I have to scratch. I can always go back and buy a another PC12 if I don't like it.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2016, 10:39

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The CJ 3 has external baggage. That's a big improvement over having it in the cabin. Just the ease of loading makes it worth it.

No more should pressing heavy bags through cargo door or passing luggage up and down the airstair and through the cabin.

The pc12 cabin is a little over a foot longer and that includes the interior baggage area. Once that area is full of baggage the pc12 cabin is actually shorter.

You ned to go check out a pC12. I've never seen a plane easier to load than PC12.

You can't put mountain bikes on a CJ3. What about all my skis and gear? I'm already planning a storage unit in Colorado so I can just leave my stuff there.

I NEVER carry bags up the airstair door on the PC12. You just toss everything in the back. The Cargo door on the PC12 is a big deal. I'alike to hold out for a PC24 for just that reason. But getting my hands on one is years away.

This is really for a different thread.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 31 Jul 2016, 10:54

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The CJ 3 has external baggage. That's a big improvement over having it in the cabin. Just the ease of loading makes it worth it.

No more should pressing heavy bags through cargo door or passing luggage up and down the airstair and through the cabin.

The pc12 cabin is a little over a foot longer and that includes the interior baggage area. Once that area is full of baggage the pc12 cabin is actually shorter.

You ned to go check out a pC12. I've never seen a plane easier to load than PC12.

You can't put mountain bikes on a CJ3. What about all my skis and gear? I'm already planning a storage unit in Colorado so I can just leave my stuff there.

I NEVER carry bags up the airstair door on the PC12. You just toss everything in the back. The Cargo door on the PC12 is a big deal. I'alike to hold out for a PC24 for just that reason. But getting my hands on one is years away.

This is really for a different thread.

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