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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Corvalis safety comparison Posted: 27 Jan 2015, 23:14 |
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Username Protected wrote: William,
No multi?
Why dog a plane you have no experience flying? This flight is easy for a 421.
Best, I wasn't dogging it. Just reading the performance charts trying to see if it meets my risk profile for the flight. I decided to scrub it. As to not having a multi, never bothered taking a check ride, have about 600 hours of Seneca time and about 400 hours of KA350 time. But like I said, I always fly with a second, rated and typed pilot. My personal toy is an Acclaim that I only fly day time, mostly VFR or easy IFR. Didn't mean to dog the airplane, if I did, I apologize. Just not my cup of tea.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Corvalis safety comparison Posted: 27 Jan 2015, 23:15 |
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Username Protected wrote: A short hop from KAPA to KTEX with enough fuel to come back to KAPA, hold for 30min and still have legal reserves (45min). In 421 this sounds to me like I'd like to have 110 gallons to pull that off.
How much in Aerostar and what ROC (single and two running) can I except at 9000 feet on an ISA day. So 173NM miles one way. Rounding to 180 to make math easy. KAPA 6000 MSL KTEX 9000 MSL 600lbs of people and bags. Short flight. I would flight plan on 220 KTAS. So, lets round up being conservative and say one hour each way and 1 hour 15 minutes of reserve time. Three hours and 15 minutes of total flying time. In go fast mode (Cruise ~240 KTAS): 157 Gallons. BEW: 4399.9 Total: 5907.6 Using the 5900 (about as accurate as I can on these charts) I get the following: -- KTEX .3200ft to take off over a 50ft. Single engine rate: ~380 FPM -- KAPA. 2900ft to take of over a 50ft. Single engine rate: ~275 FPM Is that what you wanted to know? Tim
How is your KTEX ROC better than KAPA? KAPA is considerably lower.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Corvalis safety comparison Posted: 27 Jan 2015, 23:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: William,
No multi?
Why dog a plane you have no experience flying? This flight is easy for a 421.
Best, I wasn't dogging it. Just reading the performance charts trying to see if it meets my risk profile for the flight. I decided to scrub it. As to not having a multi, never bothered taking a check ride, have about 600 hours of Seneca time and about 400 hours of KA350 time. But like I said, I always fly with a second, rated and typed pilot. My personal toy is an Acclaim that I only fly day time, mostly VFR or easy IFR. Didn't mean to dog the airplane, if I did, I apologize. Just not my cup of tea.
How do you have 600 hrs of seneca time and 400 hrs of king air time with no ratings?
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Corvalis safety comparison Posted: 27 Jan 2015, 23:21 |
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Username Protected wrote: How is your KTEX ROC better than KAPA? KAPA is considerably lower. Less fuel at KTEX, he took off at KAPA with round trip fuel. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Corvalis safety comparison Posted: 27 Jan 2015, 23:25 |
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Username Protected wrote: How is your KTEX ROC better than KAPA? KAPA is considerably lower. Less fuel at KTEX, he took off at KAPA with round trip fuel. Mike C.
Thanks, makes sense. And yes, that's what I asked. Even though Montrose is just few miles up and generally has really good weather, when planning rockies flights I like to have an option to return back to KAPA.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Corvalis safety comparison Posted: 27 Jan 2015, 23:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: How do you have 600 hrs of seneca time and 400 hrs of king air time with no ratings?
Flown in a Seneca for 4 years with a rated pilot on a KOMA-KFAR milk run weekly for business. I like sitting up front and doing the flying. Flown in KA350 for about 1 1/2 years now, almost every other day on business. Once again, my pilot is typed and rated. I am not. Does not mean I cannot take of and/or land the thing, with one or two running  I like to know my airplanes even though flying them is not my primary responsibility. I don't have the time or desire any more to stay on top of things or spend 2 weeks each year in training. I do like CRM and believe strongly in two people in the cockpit. I make weather calls, navigation and handle the radios most of the time.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Corvalis safety comparison Posted: 27 Jan 2015, 23:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: How is your KTEX ROC better than KAPA? KAPA is considerably lower. Umm, I reversed them. I will go back and fix. I did both a the initial take off weight of 5900 lbs. Tim
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Corvalis safety comparison Posted: 27 Jan 2015, 23:42 |
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Username Protected wrote: I fly a Corvalis ! Need more comments on that in this thread! So, do you feel twin or chute envy?  Tim (Sorry, could not resist) PS. No I am not sorry. It was just fun to poke!
I do have chute envy!
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Corvalis safety comparison Posted: 28 Jan 2015, 00:38 |
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Username Protected wrote: How do you have 600 hrs of seneca time and 400 hrs of king air time with no ratings?
Flown in a Seneca for 4 years with a rated pilot on a KOMA-KFAR milk run weekly for business. I like sitting up front and doing the flying. Flown in KA350 for about 1 1/2 years now, almost every other day on business. Once again, my pilot is typed and rated. I am not. Does not mean I cannot take of and/or land the thing, with one or two running  I like to know my airplanes even though flying them is not my primary responsibility. I don't have the time or desire any more to stay on top of things or spend 2 weeks each year in training. I do like CRM and believe strongly in two people in the cockpit. I make weather calls, navigation and handle the radios most of the time.
Not even close to being PIC. Your pilot is likely to stroke your ego so you will stroke the check book.
If you can spend 600 hours in a seneca observing, you have the time to get the rating.
Whats really holding you up. I would bet your pilot is a cfi/mei. If not he can get it easy enough.
Crm works best with two rated pilots. Not a boss/observer, that just makes it harder on the PIC.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Corvalis safety comparison Posted: 28 Jan 2015, 01:07 |
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Username Protected wrote: Not even close to being PIC. Your pilot is likely to stroke your ego so you will stroke the check book.
If you can spend 600 hours in a seneca observing, you have the time to get the rating.
Whats really holding you up. I would bet your pilot is a cfi/mei. If not he can get it easy enough.
Crm works best with two rated pilots. Not a boss/observer, that just makes it harder on the PIC.
I'm sorry, 8 years of flying sea kings in UK before emigrating to US taught me a thing or two about CRM. No, do not hold a FAA rotorcraft license either.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Corvalis safety comparison Posted: 28 Jan 2015, 01:14 |
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No reason to be sorry, but not sure what that has to do with GA flying particularly multi-engine.
I bet you never took a non rated pilot in the sic seat and called it CRM.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus Corvalis safety comparison Posted: 28 Jan 2015, 01:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: No reason to be sorry, but not sure what that has to do with GA flying particularly multi-engine.
I bet you never took a non rated pilot in the sic seat and called it CRM. I can work the gear and flap switches with the best of them 
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