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Post subject: Re: C310 IFE - Surging Prop 12 hrs after Annual Posted: 10 Aug 2023, 17:43 |
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Joined: 10/07/18 Posts: 3295 Post Likes: +2324 Company: Retired Location: Columbus, Ohio
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Unless the owner requests it, no one is going to remove props as a matter of course during an annual.
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Post subject: Re: C310 IFE - Surging Prop 12 hrs after Annual Posted: 10 Aug 2023, 20:42 |
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Joined: 04/16/10 Posts: 2025 Post Likes: +901 Location: Wisconsin
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By chance is this a turbo 310?
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Post subject: Re: C310 IFE - Surging Prop 12 hrs after Annual Posted: 11 Aug 2023, 08:39 |
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Joined: 10/07/18 Posts: 3295 Post Likes: +2324 Company: Retired Location: Columbus, Ohio
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If there truly was enough sludge circulating in the oil system to restrict flow through the screen in the prop governor gasket, I would be concerned about plugging up an oil transfer tube in the crankshaft which supplies oil to a rod bearing. Every engine creates sludge. Remove the prop from a 1000 hour engine and you’ll likely see 1/8”-1/4” of sludge compacted on the inside wall of the crankshaft. Just like a centrifuge, the rotating parts of the engine cause the heavier particles in the oil to “spin out”. Even smaller components like the drive gears, etc., will have some sludge build up in the hollow, rotating areas. So, sludge is not unusual. Sludge circulating through the oil system IS unusual and can cause serious problems, as you discovered, if it accumulates in the wrong places.
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Post subject: Re: C310 IFE - Surging Prop 12 hrs after Annual Posted: 11 Aug 2023, 08:56 |
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Joined: 09/02/11 Posts: 1796 Post Likes: +2283 Location: N Alabama
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Username Protected wrote: The prop has approximately 950 hrs and is 27 years old. To me, I'd think 27 years, on a prop with a 12yr calendar TBO, is too long. You didn't say whether the props or governors have had other maintenance in the meantime, like a reseal or IRAN.
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Post subject: Re: C310 IFE - Surging Prop 12 hrs after Annual Posted: 11 Aug 2023, 14:29 |
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Joined: 05/05/19 Posts: 28 Post Likes: +11 Company: Bolt Financial Group Location: KOSU
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Username Protected wrote: The prop has approximately 950 hrs and is 27 years old. To me, I'd think 27 years, on a prop with a 12yr calendar TBO, is too long. You didn't say whether the props or governors have had other maintenance in the meantime, like a reseal or IRAN.
I agree. It was recommended at last annual to do a replacement. The estimate came in around $35k to do both props. I have been doing some research on overhaul vs replacement. This incident speeds up my research and desire to improve the props.
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Post subject: Re: C310 IFE - Surging Prop 12 hrs after Annual Posted: 11 Aug 2023, 14:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: We see a lot of sludge build up, with Continental engines 800 hours and up. the build up ranges from thick grease to hard cake. We remove props for TKS De-Ice kits, so we see quite a few.
Lycoming has a service letter about periodic cleaning sludge from inside the crank flange. That's interesting. Is there a recommendation to pull props and check for sludge on Continentals? Is this a common issue that I am not aware of or the GA community in general? Is there a time/calendar interval we should all be checking our props for sludge build up if it is not normally checked on annual inspection? Or does following TBO times remove any need to do a sludge check/cleaning before TBO for us part 91ers that may think we can go beyond TBO?
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Post subject: Re: C310 IFE - Surging Prop 12 hrs after Annual Posted: 11 Aug 2023, 19:55 |
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Joined: 09/02/11 Posts: 1796 Post Likes: +2283 Location: N Alabama
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Username Protected wrote: To me, I'd think 27 years, on a prop with a 12yr calendar TBO, is too long. You didn't say whether the props or governors have had other maintenance in the meantime, like a reseal or IRAN. I agree. It was recommended at last annual to do a replacement. The estimate came in around $35k to do both props. I have been doing some research on overhaul vs replacement. This incident speeds up my research and desire to improve the props.
I got my props overhauled (after 14 years and ~2300 SNEW) at my last annual. First Flight in Senatobia, MS did it for ~$3700 each. Well worth it IMHO. There are several threads on here discussing different shops and their lead times etc. You should be able to find something with a more reasonable price than $35K, keeping in mind that the shop may always decide that your prop(s) can't be serviced and need to be replaced.
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Post subject: Re: C310 IFE - Surging Prop 12 hrs after Annual Posted: 11 Aug 2023, 20:03 |
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Joined: 11/26/10 Posts: 1070 Post Likes: +474 Location: Holland Airpark, WI
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Username Protected wrote: The prop has approximately 950 hrs and is 27 years old. To me, I'd think 27 years, on a prop with a 12yr calendar TBO, is too long. You didn't say whether the props or governors have had other maintenance in the meantime, like a reseal or IRAN.
27 years since overhaul, really? Consider yourself lucky. Take your prop(s) off and the governors and get them overhauled. It was trying to tell you something’s going on. Which props do you have?
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Post subject: Re: C310 IFE - Surging Prop 12 hrs after Annual Posted: 11 Aug 2023, 20:07 |
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Joined: 12/12/12 Posts: 316 Post Likes: +299 Company: Go Aviation
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310 owner. I’m not buying the sludge as the root cause. Good job getting it home safe. I had one grenade on my 310, thankful for the 2nd engine.
_________________ ATP, CFII, MEI, Commercial Rotor/SES, A&P. I like to fly things, sometimes I fix them.
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