http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ ... ne-program


Can't wait to hear more

Wonder why they going with Honeywell in this and the G5000 in the 400XPR?

I'd assume that staying with the basic Honeywell structure you can reuse a lot of sensors and wiring and leave the autopilot installation intact…

those Honeywell systems always worked very well in the 560 series Citations..you hear few people complain…


plus that Honeywell upgrade system Aerovue, much like their offering for the King Air, quite probably a lot less expensive than a full Garmin 5000 suite..probably 800K - 1.0 Mi difference in price..if somebody already puts an engine upgrade on such a plane, where those new motors probably cost twice as much or more than the airplane is worth on the used market, there is no room for another 1.0 Mio USD + for new avionics..just does not compute.....

makes a lot of sense in my view...

So the V and the Ultra have the same fuel capacity and both have a 350 lbs more than the Encore? I guess the first two would have a bit more range than the third then.

That's correct. I believe they had to make room for the trailing link landing gear in the Encore but it ended up having a little more range because of the efficiency of the engines.

This upgrade should give the Ultra close to a 2000NM range. Impressive!

So much happening in this area right now that it's hard to purchase a jet.......so many variables.........

I think that the sweet spot right now is a competitor to the cj3/4 and Phenom 300 that comes in at PC12 prices.......and that does 450knts........textron is touting the 400xpr

XPR :2 pilot plane. Looked hard at it. Wonderful little jet. But sometimes, like Jason has pointed out, 2 pilots is a PITA. Personally I like the idea of two pilots for most business stuff. But then what about little flights? Personal flights?

I find it interesting that Textron will be the one selling the modification.
What does that say about the market? I thought Textron was in the selling new planes business...

Tim

That thing would be perfect if it were a single pilot plane. Textron would sell the hell out of them. As a 2 pilot plane why do they even bother? The Charter Guys are using Phenom 300's. They're not going to switch to an old Frankenplane.

Getting the 400 series stc'd by textron as single pilot would never happen, as it would compete with an already profitable segment. Maybe a third party could approach the process with some success?

Phenom 300 is winning this game right now........PC24 is going to also be a game changer.....

I see those older Citations plus new engines and new avionics (read $$$)
as a hard sell when compared to the factory CJ lineup with it's depraciation rate. It seems to me that the price points will get to close to convince buyers to buy the redone aircraft.

Sierra had a couple XPR's listed a while back. I queried a price. Few months went by and they dropped the price of one by $1000amu. Things aren't moving I suspect. Reading stuff coming in from Avweb on the NBAA; I don't think we've found a bottom yet. People are trying new stuff but that doesn't mean it sells.

No doubt..... But who are they bothering to build it for then? Also, they have the XLS which seems like a direct competitor in the 2 pilot market so what difference does it make?

Has anyone ever tried to get an older two pilot jet single pilot certified?

With new avionics, I really don't understand how a CJ4 is easier to fly than a beechjet with the same panel? The speeds are not that different, my MU2 flies around at all the same speeds down low anyway.