BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 21 Jul 2015, 12:15

This is exciting (and overdue) news:
http://aviationweek.com/oshkosh-2015/te ... -turboprop

Username Protected · **Posted:** 21 Jul 2015, 13:20

they gonna be like:... "Tah Dah! We bought the Epic!"

Username Protected · **Posted:** 21 Jul 2015, 13:27

Username Protected wrote:

they gonna be like:... "Tah Dah! We bought the Epic!"

Or they are bringing back the Lightning! :eek:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 21 Jul 2015, 14:17

If it does not compete with the PC-12 it will be dead on arrival.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 21 Jul 2015, 14:47

PC12 seems like a pretty easy target if textron wants to put the resources there. PC12's are premium priced because they have no competition. Same price, same performance and Cessna support would probably do it.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 21 Jul 2015, 15:23

But aren't most SETP owner-pilots looking for a TBM type size?
Pc12 is a Big airplane for an owner / business person.

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Username Protected · **Posted:** 21 Jul 2015, 15:29

I would disagree that the aircraft would need to go head to head with the PC12.
For many folks the PC is far bigger than they need or want, something between the TBM 850.
and the PC12 would likely be right on target. A Citation Mustang with a turbo prop on the front may just hit that sweet spot, smaller that the Pilatus, larger than the Socata with a stronger service network than either.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 21 Jul 2015, 16:06

I don't understand why they keep insisting on Collins ProLine upgrades for King Air's. Just go Garmin and be done with it. Who wants' to pay $100K for an ASD-B update or $25K/year for chart subscription? Are these customers masochists?

Also, I would suggest Kestrel are on the right track with Garrett power. Why pay twice as much for a PT6 in overhaul and 20% more in fuel per hour? Yeah, it's proven, but still not as proven as the Garrett, or it would have the same TBO as that.

Aviation is expensive enough as it is. If they go down the same old route, Collins, PT6, no edge, no advantage, they'll be dead. Gotta change the game.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 21 Jul 2015, 16:06

Maybe, but.......

We already have TBM, Epic coming, Kestrel (never gonna happen) and the Meridian.

What can they do better?

PC-12 has NO competition and commands a premium......

gonna stick to my guns!!!! if it does not compete with the PC-12 it be DOA

Username Protected · **Posted:** 21 Jul 2015, 16:16

Am I the only one who finds it ironic that the photo in the article saying Cessna is moving ahead with plans to develop an SETP is 8 guys standing in front of an SETP they have been building for decades?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 21 Jul 2015, 16:17

Username Protected wrote:

I don't understand why they keep insisting on Collins ProLine upgrades for King Air's. Just go Garmin and be done with it. Who wants' to pay $100K for an ASD-B update or $25K/year for chart subscription? Are these customers masochists?

I didn't know it was that. I can only guess but the equipment has to be paid for somehow? Is the hardware under priced?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 21 Jul 2015, 17:12

Username Protected wrote:

I don't understand why they keep insisting on Collins ProLine upgrades for King Air's. Just go Garmin and be done with it. Who wants' to pay $100K for an ASD-B update or $25K/year for chart subscription? Are these customers masochists?

I didn't know it was that. I can only guess but the equipment has to be paid for somehow? Is the hardware under priced?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 21 Jul 2015, 17:30

Username Protected wrote:

Also, I would suggest Kestrel are on the right track with Garrett power. Why pay twice as much for a PT6 in overhaul and 20% more in fuel per hour? Yeah, it's proven, but still not as proven as the Garrett, or it would have the same TBO as that.

You think Kestrel will make it?

Why did Pilatus choose the PT6 over a Garrett? Those are some pretty good engineers?

Not against the Garrett's, I like em. Just wondering why they are not more common.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 21 Jul 2015, 18:09

Cessna has got the Caravan market perfected. I suspect the new plane will be geared towards commercial ventures. Why they threw the Beech name in the news article mystifies me. If Beech had a SETP why didn't they introduce it?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 21 Jul 2015, 18:17

Just talked to Kestrell and they are talking about switching to the PT6.

New Single Engine Turboprop?