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Post subject: Re: 787 delivery flight  Posted: 05 Oct 2012, 13:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: . . . and the amazing part is that probably didn't even get close to it's max range.
Pretty amazing aircraft. Really? Boeing's website says the 787-8's range is 7,650 to 8,200 nautical miles. Flightaware says 7757 nm planned route. Seems pretty close to max range to me.
It looked to me like that range figure is with max payload. I would guess an empty ferry flight would allow for greater range than with 200+ people & bags on board.
I found this range estimate......it's probably pretty close. (~ 10,000 mi range empty)
Also don't forget, even though the fuel tanks are huge, the flight parameters may restrict how much fuel is used. With the 242 passenger count (7633NM Range) flight profile used I believe they are weight restricted so the tanks are not full, plus they are carrying ~18K lbs of reserve fuel (diversion, holding, contingency). In fact with max fuel (@ MTOW + payload of ~15K lbs) it can go 9685NM and with zero payload (OEW + max fuel), it can go 10056NM.
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Post subject: Re: 787 delivery flight Posted: 05 Oct 2012, 19:27 |
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Username Protected wrote: Fun fact: Ethiopian airlines was the launch customer for the 767-200ER back in 1982. Florian, United was the launch customer for the 767-200 in 1982 and El Al was the launch customer for the 767-200ER in 1984. http://www.boeing.com/news/feature/sevenseries/767.htmlNeal
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Post subject: Re: 787 delivery flight Posted: 05 Oct 2012, 20:06 |
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As Jack Sparrow said, most of the advertised data are guidlines, or rough words to that effect. Using very general published numbers, the 787 can carry almost twice it's advertised empty weight, or stated another way, it's MTOW is almost 3 times it's basic operating weight. No other transport category to my knowledge can do that. Username Protected wrote: I was suprised the other day how close to the limits the airlines are allowed to cut it. The distance from Atlanta to Lagos is 5750nm, the range given for the 767 is 6300nm. Not that many pleasant places to divert to if the LOS airport was to close for some reason, I wondered where exactly they would put as if that was to happen (Accra? Abuja?). Extended Range Ops (ETOPS) CAN'T be conducted without "suitable" alternates within the distance specified by the airlines operating certificate, aircraft equipment, maintenance and Limitations specifications. System seems to work pretty well, nobody's left one up there with no place to land, and how many here have flown their Beeches much farther than Beech originally advertised??? Most here would be surprised at how much work and training goes into reducing fuel burn, and if you "learn" how to operate at lower fuel consumption, one result is that you can go farther. When Boeing published their "specs" on the 767 over 30 years ago, pilots, dispatchers and maintenance didn't know near as much as they do now about long range ops, including winds and weather.
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Post subject: Re: 787 delivery flight Posted: 05 Oct 2012, 21:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: Fun fact: Ethiopian airlines was the launch customer for the 767-200ER back in 1982. Florian, United was the launch customer for the 767-200 in 1982 and El Al was the launch customer for the 767-200ER in 1984.
Ethiopian was the first one to place an order but didn't get their financing together before the first production plane came out.
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Post subject: Re: 787 delivery flight Posted: 05 Oct 2012, 21:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: Most here would be surprised at how much work and training goes into reducing fuel burn, and if you "learn" how to operate at lower fuel consumption, one result is that you can go farther. When Boeing published their "specs" on the 767 over 30 years ago, pilots, dispatchers and maintenance didn't know near as much as they do now about long range ops, including winds and weather. So you are flying LOP  ?
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Post subject: Re: 787 delivery flight Posted: 05 Oct 2012, 21:07 |
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Username Protected wrote:
Ethiopian was the first one to place an order but didn't get their financing together before the first production plane came out.
FIRST!!! PAGE 2 
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