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 Post subject: Re: Another Search & detain story - from the Lancair list
PostPosted: 25 Apr 2011, 22:54 
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What's your point? Point a toy gun at a cop and you'll get the same treatment. Personally, I'll take getting tased by a cop over getting shot any day. Simple fact is that tasers are non-lethal devices (unless you have other serious health-problems). If you think it's OK to shoot a cop because he's going to tase you, you're in for a rude awakening. YMMV.


The point is that cops think Tasers are a big deal when pointed at them, and they will kill you, even though they claim it is a non-lethal tool.

Better than being shot? Yep.

But search Youtube for videos of the misuse (clearly) of Tasers. Hey, let's just keep zapping him while he flops around on the ground. If he would stop flopping, we'd quit zapping him. OH? He can't stop because he's being zapped? Man, it sucks to be him.

No, I wouldn't shoot a police officer for use of a Taser or anything else I can think of.

A non-officer? I'd do exactly what a cop would do.


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 Post subject: Re: Another Search & detain story - from the Lancair list
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 Post subject: Re: Another Search & detain story - from the Lancair list
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:rofl: You can't possibly be serious. If a taser is a deadly weapon to you, it is unlikely that you can pass a third-class medical.

Yes, I'm serious. Why should I allow some clown on a power trip to assault me with his toy?


1) Because his partner who has the drop on you with a real gun is going to shoot you in the chest if you "pull your piece." I'm pretty handy with my carry pistol, but I can't take down two or more trained professionals who already have the drop on me. YMMV.

2) The lawsuit will be worth the jolt of lightning.

3) 9 times out of 10, shooting a cop ends with you in prison for life - at best.

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If you would let someone assault you because they have a piece of tin pinned on their chest, that's your own idiocy. Don't be surprised if people don't share it.


While we're talking about stupid... I have to wonder about those who talk about shooting cops on the internet.

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 Post subject: Re: Another Search & detain story - from the Lancair list
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Why would you allow an unprovoked assault by a police officer, but use deadly force on other citizens. An assault is an assault. You would probably be in more danger from the cop. He feels he has a God given right kill at his discretion.


Why would the tasing be unprovoked. If I get tased, it's likely because I did something stupid. I'm polite to the police and I let them have their way - I'll straighten it out in court later on if I have a problem with their actions.

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I once had a friend of mine (who is a cop) say that, and I expressed my displeasure at his statement. He apologized. *shrug* No need to draw-down. No need for violence. It's simply institutional gallows-humor that is not well-received by those who are not in the business.


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 Post subject: Re: Another Search & detain story - from the Lancair list
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Police have also gone absolutely taser happy too. I would consider being tased as an assault with a deadly weapon, and would react in kind.


:rofl: You can't possibly be serious. If a taser is a deadly weapon to you, it is unlikely that you can pass a third-class medical.


You need to educate yourself before posting drivel here.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/taser_6yrold.htm

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 Post subject: Re: Another Search & detain story - from the Lancair list
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:rofl: You can't possibly be serious. If a taser is a deadly weapon to you, it is unlikely that you can pass a third-class medical.


You need to educate yourself before posting drivel here.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/taser_6yrold.htm


:rofl: infowars as a source?!? :rofl:

Perhaps you should read your own link. The 6 year-old... that's iffy, but he was about to hurt himself (possibly irrevocably), so... I might be on the fence regarding that one, but the kid is fine (physically).

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Guerrero and a 22-year-old from Johnson County who died in September were both described as having used drugs before their deaths, based on media reports. But no autopsy report in Guerrero's case was available Thursday to confirm that. In the third Texas fatality, a 51-year-old Amarillo man with heart disease suffered a heart attack after being stunned in September 2003.


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Nationally, more than 70 similar fatal incidents have been reported, said Ed Jackson, a spokesman for Amnesty International USA.
The human rights group has called for a moratorium and independent research on Tasers.

However, a 2004 Arizona Republic review of autopsy reports for people who died nationwide after being stunned showed that medical examiners mentioned Tasers as a factor in only five deaths.


70 reported... five mentioned by qualified individuals. Seems there's a lot of hype, and not a lot of fact surrounding the lethal nature of tasers.

Are there cases of abuse? Absolutely. Are there cases where tasers can be lethal? Yes. Are such cases as widespread as you and Alex Jones would have us believe? Not a chance.

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Feel free to post any links you have proving Infowars factually incorrect. Even a 22 year old drug addict or a 51 year old do not deserve to die for a non-capital offense.

So what department do you work for?

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 Post subject: Re: Another Search & detain story - from the Lancair list
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Feel free to post any links you have proving Infowars factually incorrect. Even a 22 year old drug addict or a 51 year old do not deserve to die for a non-capital offense.

So what department do you work for?


The .mil department. Their deaths are tragic - no question - and they did not deserve to die without a trial. I suppose they could have been shot with a real gun? Would you have preferred that? What is YOUR solution?

I am usually the first to call out the police for heavy-handed tactics, but tasers have saved FAR more lives on both sides of the thin blue line than they have cost.

Regardless, this has so little to do with the topic of this thread that I have to wonder why you and G. W. Van Hoos went so far out of your way to make this thread about tasers when it is a thread about what amounted to a civil discussion between police officers (who got bad intel from CBP) and a GA pilot.


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Why would the tasing be unprovoked. If I get tased, it's likely because I did something stupid. I'm polite to the police and I let them have their way - I'll straighten it out in court later on if I have a problem with their actions.


The tasing would be "unprovoked" because they can. Kind of like how cops rough up someone during an arrest and scream "STOP RESISTING" as if it's true and the person is actually resisting when he's got your Danner on his neck. Makes for a good report, which makes it that much more difficult to "straighten out in court later on." Sounds neat, in theory - but that ain't how it works.

By the time it gets to court, the cops have already finessed their story with the prosecutor, but they might be nice enough to agree to offer a plea deal that the defendant will take just to get some resolution to a ridiculously onerous process. You end up with an otherwise innocent person pleading out to B.S. charges stemming from the cop's inability to ever recognize that they might be wrong. That's the inherent problem in training cops to never lose a situation - their badge (and their union) tells them they are always right, no matter what.


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