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Post subject: Re: SkyTron twin piston startup Posted: 27 Jan 2026, 14:30 |
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Username Protected wrote: @8:17 "Anyone can learn to fly in just days..." How may days? In some of their hype they say One day.
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Post subject: Re: SkyTron twin piston startup Posted: 27 Jan 2026, 15:09 |
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Username Protected wrote: This is Raptor guy v2.0
I don't think he is that bad. Flyby wire has been done, the performance numbers are realistic, the engines are off the shelf certified engines. The part of saving pilots from themselves I think that is a lofty goal. Lets say they fail to implement flyby wire and can not save pilots from themselves, it is still a clean sheet twin. Under MOSAIC rules, I bet they could sell this for less than a SR22, more than a SR20. Raptor? he was trying to do things that have never been done before, do them all at the same time and he did not listen to people with experience. It's no surprise that he failed.
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Post subject: Re: SkyTron twin piston startup Posted: 27 Jan 2026, 18:36 |
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Username Protected wrote: @8:17 "Anyone can learn to fly in just days..." He's not entirely wrong. I got my license when I was young, it took a couple of months of weekends, usually a flight on saturday and sunday, weather and equipment and most of all, my wallet willing. If someone highly-motivated dedicated a block of time to well-structured and immersive instruction, I think it could easily be accomplished in a matter of days. Probably a couple of weeks easily. I did my instrument rating in 10-days. It was dawn to dusk and then some hours at night, doing nothing else but focusing on it. Briefing, study work, sim-work, out for 2 hours in the plane, de-brief, quick lunch, briefing, sim work, 2 hours of flight, debriefing, review, dinner and lights out. Sometimes a fresh perspective does result in a disruptive and positive change of industry. Other times, it is a great way to make a million dollars in aviation by starting with about 20-million dollars.
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Post subject: Re: SkyTron twin piston startup Posted: 27 Jan 2026, 21:40 |
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Username Protected wrote: If someone highly-motivated dedicated a block of time to well-structured and immersive instruction, I think it could easily be accomplished in a matter of days. Probably a couple of weeks easily. I think it's absolutely true you can learn to program the autopilot to fly you wherever you want to go inside of a single day, so if they're banking on the computer to enable that then sure. But takeoff, landings, emergencies, crosswinds, weather planning, and much more... that's not feasible. You cannot learn how to not die in a day, and a computer cannot be 100% effective with 0% risk. We already have trained pilots over-rely on technology and wind up dead when hand flying stills atrophy, and there's no condition where "hand fly as a last resort" isn't reality.
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Post subject: Re: SkyTron twin piston startup Posted: 27 Jan 2026, 22:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: But takeoff, landings, emergencies, crosswinds, weather planning, and much more... that's not feasible. You cannot learn how to not die in a day I am still learning how not to die. Sadly, new lessons come forth almost every day. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: SkyTron twin piston startup Posted: 28 Jan 2026, 13:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: But takeoff, landings, emergencies, crosswinds, weather planning, and much more... that's not feasible. You cannot learn how to not die in a day I am still learning how not to die. Sadly, new lessons come forth almost every day. Mike C. True but you only benefit if you notice the lesson and take heed, something I believe a lot of pilot fail miserably at.
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Post subject: Re: SkyTron twin piston startup Posted: 29 Jan 2026, 16:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: I think it's absolutely true you can learn to program the autopilot to fly you wherever you want to go inside of a single day, so if they're banking on the computer to enable that then sure.
But takeoff, landings, emergencies, crosswinds, weather planning, and much more... that's not feasible. You cannot learn how to not die in a day, and a computer cannot be 100% effective with 0% risk.
We already have trained pilots over-rely on technology and wind up dead when hand flying stills atrophy, and there's no condition where "hand fly as a last resort" isn't reality.
I will stand by what I said, show up in an immersive, two-week training program with the written already done and a motivated candidate with some aptitude would pass the PPL checkride on day 14. There's always some who couldn't do it in 140 days. I did the instrument in 10-days that way, in a plane with no autopilot. I have to say, working on it all day, every single day, one can make progress very quickly. Way harder to get an A&P license.
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