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Post subject: Re: Shorts Tucano Posted: 21 Aug 2025, 13:57 |
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Joined: 12/20/15 Posts: 215 Post Likes: +120 Location: AZ
Aircraft: C501
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I would grab a PC-7. More support, less to break, easier to sell...they fly great and the -25A or C Pratt is easy and efficient. But I am a random dude on the internet trying to spend your money. If you want me to spend more of your money get one with the higher HP -25C....they rip.
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Post subject: Re: Shorts Tucano Posted: 21 Aug 2025, 14:47 |
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Joined: 08/21/13 Posts: 464 Post Likes: +472 Company: Horizon Aviation
Aircraft: Pitts M12, T-6, D17S
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An acquaintance of mine has had a PC-7 for years. Flew it several times a week. Then he got a PC-9 as well. Flew it some, then sold it. He didn’t like the hot seats and the limitations that put on carrying passengers. And the demand it placed on passengers as well. I believe he said the hot seats were mandatory in the US.
Same guy has an L-39 and he flies that quite a bit, too.
But through it all, he has kept the PC-7 and he loves it.
Zeke
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Post subject: Re: Shorts Tucano Posted: 22 Aug 2025, 00:03 |
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Joined: 12/20/15 Posts: 215 Post Likes: +120 Location: AZ
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Username Protected wrote: PC-7? Harumph.
PC-9 is what you want.
I've got a guy. Hmm I get it…but me thinks the “Pain in the @$$” factor of owning a 9 with all of the extra gizmo’s and seats and big engine would detract from the ownership experience….same with the Tucano/Super Tucano. The 7 with the -25C is light, powerful, and simple. I think this is why the prices on the 9’s and Tucano’s are generally less because you need to buy a couple to keep one flying. Unless I own and operate a small Air Force and I have an arms deal with the OEM I think the 7 is more than you need. You can pull a 7 out of the hangar in your flip flops and have the thing airborne in a few simple steps. If you feel like being a war-lord you can always hang rockets and guns to do counter insurgency ops on Vector User Fees. There is a size-able difference between ones with the -25A and -25C. We have flown them side by side and the 25C makes it a different plane…with a different price tag. I know Experimental Exhibition can be thought of as a positive but it is kind of nice that you can fly a 7 with a Standard airworthiness cert. There are some that are Experimental but there is a road to make them Standard if you feel the need.
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Post subject: Re: Shorts Tucano Posted: 22 Aug 2025, 16:32 |
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Joined: 08/21/13 Posts: 464 Post Likes: +472 Company: Horizon Aviation
Aircraft: Pitts M12, T-6, D17S
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Username Protected wrote: Okay, forgive my ignorance, but help me connect the hot seats to a passenger limitation He felt very limited by who he was comfortable having in the back seat. And he likes to give lots of rides to friends. He didn’t like the mega-briefing and training required to give passengers if they flew with a hot seat. I’m not talking about any FAA requirement, I’m talking about his concern having neophytes in the back seat sitting on a hot seat. He simply wasn’t comfortable having people sitting on hot seats who weren’t highly trained in their operation. Right or wrong, that was his belief. Last week’s excursion by a well trained back-seater in an F-15 exemplifies the problem. Zeke
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Post subject: Re: Shorts Tucano Posted: 22 Aug 2025, 21:47 |
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Joined: 04/06/11 Posts: 9575 Post Likes: +5040
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Username Protected wrote: Okay, forgive my ignorance, but help me connect the hot seats to a passenger limitation He felt very limited by who he was comfortable having in the back seat. And he likes to give lots of rides to friends. He didn’t like the mega-briefing and training required to give passengers if they flew with a hot seat. I’m not talking about any FAA requirement, I’m talking about his concern having neophytes in the back seat sitting on a hot seat. He simply wasn’t comfortable having people sitting on hot seats who weren’t highly trained in their operation. Right or wrong, that was his belief. Last week’s excursion by a well trained back-seater in an F-15 exemplifies the problem. Zeke The Prelim on the Granite Falls L-39 accident suggests the Back Seater was given several Hours of Ground School, including seat use and eject info. It ended up that he wouldn’t, couldn’t eject or the seat failed. Almost caused the PIC to get too low for the seat envelope.
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Post subject: Re: Shorts Tucano Posted: 23 Aug 2025, 11:20 |
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Joined: 02/17/14 Posts: 147 Post Likes: +50 Location: Chicago, IL
Aircraft: 1981 421C
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Username Protected wrote: It was such a cool plane!! Don’t tease me like that, details!
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