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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 16 Apr 2025, 00:52 |
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Username Protected wrote: . G1000Nxi is more advanced and flexible than early G3000’s. Very cool plane that I would love to fly.  Interesting observation. Care to elaborate?
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 16 Apr 2025, 06:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: In my experience, there is a lot of bouncing below 18,000 feet. And there is a lot of bouncing above 28,000 feet. Not much bouncing FL 180-280. It is kind of the sweet spot below the jet stream turbulence and above the mountain and thermal turbulence.... If you had to pick the real sweet spot it is probably FL220 -260. Almost nothing going on in that band, even when the the pistons are suffering and the airliners are begging for smooth air. I typically find the smoothest air in the upper 30's and low 40's. The 20's are where I get a lot of bumps. Mid teens are usually good as well. Of course, if there is a weather system with some energy impacting the area, then it becomes a guessing game. Sometimes a 2,000' change can take you from moderate to smooth.
I agree. I seldom get rocked at 40 or 41. As far as weather goes, I rarely use the radar. In the Meridians, I was constantly in the belly of the beast in the 20’s. Definitely a lot of vectoring, and a strong knowledge of your radar is required in the turbo prop flight levels.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 16 Apr 2025, 08:27 |
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Definitely need to have a good radar and know how to use it flying in the 20’s. With that, I have not found it limiting. In 15 years of flight level flying, I think I have only put down once for convection. And that was a wicked cold front from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico with a tornado spawning squall line, that was stopping almost everything including the airlines from crossing. Put the plane in a Hangar at Millionaire in St. Louis and watched the strongest squall line I had ever seen cross over. Certainly easier up high, but still no guarantee that it is wise or possible to cross a strong line. Tops in the 50’s will stop most things except an U2. So sometimes you just have to go around. These tops were up to 55,000 feet  Attachment: IMG_3820.jpeg
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 24 Apr 2025, 10:09 |
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Username Protected wrote: Definitely need to have a good radar and know how to use it flying in the 20’s. I haven't turned my radar on in months. Rarely needed at FL410. My last flight had weather below us up to 35,000 ft. The turboprops were asking for deviations. Smoothest air is typically in the high 30s. For one thing, the indicated airspeed is lower so bumps are not as severe due to increased AOA. A gust of 20 actual knots is only 10 indicated knots at that altitude. The air is just so thin as to not pack a huge punch. On descent is where we get the major bumps. We're fast, light, and getting into thicker air. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 26 Apr 2025, 12:42 |
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Username Protected wrote: FAA standard females 179 lbs One reason I never liked the FAA... their standards are too "high".
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 26 Apr 2025, 22:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: Definitely need to have a good radar and know how to use it flying in the 20’s. I haven't turned my radar on in months. Rarely needed at FL410. My last flight had weather below us up to 35,000 ft. The turboprops were asking for deviations. Smoothest air is typically in the high 30s. For one thing, the indicated airspeed is lower so bumps are not as severe due to increased AOA. A gust of 20 actual knots is only 10 indicated knots at that altitude. The air is just so thin as to not pack a huge punch. On descent is where we get the major bumps. We're fast, light, and getting into thicker air. Mike C. So you never descend into anything that requires you to deviate? I’ve had the radar on at least a dozen times in the last month or so. Nothing scarier than a blind IMC descent into possible convective activity.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 26 Apr 2025, 22:55 |
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Username Protected wrote: . G1000Nxi is more advanced and flexible than early G3000’s. Very cool plane that I would love to fly.  Interesting observation. Care to elaborate?
Nxi will accept a Bluetooth link, which I appreciate. Radar upgrades are also available. New hardware, it’s fast and in widespread use so I expect to see strong support.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 26 Apr 2025, 23:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: I haven't turned my radar on in months. Rarely needed at FL410.
My last flight had weather below us up to 35,000 ft. The turboprops were asking for deviations.
Smoothest air is typically in the high 30s. For one thing, the indicated airspeed is lower so bumps are not as severe due to increased AOA. A gust of 20 actual knots is only 10 indicated knots at that altitude. The air is just so thin as to not pack a huge punch.
On descent is where we get the major bumps. We're fast, light, and getting into thicker air.
Mike C. So you never descend into anything that requires you to deviate? I’ve had the radar on at least a dozen times in the last month or so. Nothing scarier than a blind IMC descent into possible convective activity.
Exactly. 450’ or FL450 I’m comparing radar and nexrad all the time. Radar is the only thing that tells the truth. Ignore all the tools at your own peril.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 27 Apr 2025, 00:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: So you never descend into anything that requires you to deviate? Not recently. Quote: I’ve had the radar on at least a dozen times in the last month or so. Nothing scarier than a blind IMC descent into possible convective activity. Agreed, just been fortunate this last few months. Still, better to have to deal with weather only at the ends and not everywhere in-between. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 27 Apr 2025, 01:42 |
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And here I thought this thread was about P-51's.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 27 Apr 2025, 02:48 |
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Interesting observation. Care to elaborate? Nxi will accept a Bluetooth link, which I appreciate. Radar upgrades are also available. New hardware, it’s fast and in widespread use so I expect to see strong support.[/quote] I take it the newer 3000's accept bluetooth?
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 27 Apr 2025, 11:22 |
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I managed and flew one for about 5 years. Glad to talk if you're interested.[/quote] Username Protected wrote: Eclipse max range is advertised a little over 1100 miles. A good ballpark is to figure it'll do 3 hours airborne on full tanks, which leaves 45-60 minutes of reserve. That's a lot closer to my TBM than I thought.[/quote] An acquaintance and neighbor of my BIL has an Eclipse. He can’t get from Naples FL to SUS, 873 direct or ~900 with normal routing, without a stop. Southbound he can usually make it with tailwind. It does not have the range of the TBM in my questioning of this owner and another. Great plane but 1100nm out of S. FL to the midwest ??? Correct me if real world someone’s doing better with IFR reserves.
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 27 Apr 2025, 11:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: And here I thought this thread was about P-51's. Similar costs per hour… Robert
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Post subject: Re: If the Mustang does your mission, it's darn near perfect Posted: 27 Apr 2025, 12:02 |
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Great thread! I had previously convinced myself that a TBM was my next plane. Now, I’m seriously considering the Mustang. I’m 1200hr SEP, IR and a G1000Nxi junkie. I bought my G36 specifically for the transition to the next plane, which I assumed would be a SETP. My regular mission is 550nM (Vegas-Den, or Den-MSP area. Looking at controller there are some reasonable US based options. https://www.controller.com/listings/sea ... ountry=178Does anyone have a Pirep for Jetaviva?
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