Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die
Posted: 22 Dec 2024, 14:59
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You could do electric heating element. The tiny little floor heaters we use here at home in winter are pretty good. 1500W element would probably do a cabin at altitude.
With electric pressurization maybe taking 3hp, which is about 2.2kW, seems to me you could get by with a 4-5kw generator/alternator to cover both needs. We all know how big a 5kw brushless motor is (which is also a generator) - they're pretty small these days.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die
Posted: 23 Dec 2024, 12:30
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A heat pump is much more efficient than resistance heat and can be combined with air conditioning. It might need a little help in the flight levels or when a Canada Clipper moves in.
Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die
Posted: 24 Dec 2024, 04:04
Joined: 11/15/17 Posts: 1049 Post Likes: +544 Company: Cessna (retired)
Username Protected wrote:
A heat pump is much more efficient than resistance heat and can be combined with air conditioning. It might need a little help in the flight levels or when a Canada Clipper moves in.
Don't heat pumps have performance problems at cold OAT's?
Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die
Posted: 24 Dec 2024, 11:35
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Username Protected wrote:
A heat pump is much more efficient than resistance heat and can be combined with air conditioning. It might need a little help in the flight levels or when a Canada Clipper moves in.
Don't heat pumps have performance problems at cold OAT's?
They do, hence my comment about needing help, usually by means of a small(er) resistance element.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die
Posted: 08 Jan 2025, 09:08
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Centari seems like a lot of unnecessary drag with multiple control surfaces and intersection drag areas. Designed for styling by an artist and not an Aerodynamicist?
For light GA airplane Pusher is dead end. Canard is dead end. Even Rutan moved away from the configuration in later years.
Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die
Posted: 12 Jan 2025, 17:38
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Username Protected wrote:
Centari seems like a lot of unnecessary drag with multiple control surfaces and intersection drag areas. Designed for styling by an artist and not an Aerodynamicist?
For light GA airplane Pusher is dead end. Canard is dead end. Even Rutan moved away from the configuration in later years.
Years ago at Cessna, a Flight Test Pilot and Flight Test Engineer designed and built a canard pusher to win an efficiency contest. It was uncontrollable on first flight and the pilot was either thrown out or parachuted too late, and was killed.
Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die
Posted: 13 Jan 2025, 14:31
Joined: 11/15/17 Posts: 1049 Post Likes: +544 Company: Cessna (retired)
Username Protected wrote:
Centari seems like a lot of unnecessary drag with multiple control surfaces and intersection drag areas. Designed for styling by an artist and not an Aerodynamicist?
For light GA airplane Pusher is dead end. Canard is dead end. Even Rutan moved away from the configuration in later years.
There was a joke going around at Cessna that with enough control surfaces you could get interference thrust.
Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die
Posted: 13 Jan 2025, 14:47
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Username Protected wrote:
Centari seems like a lot of unnecessary drag with multiple control surfaces and intersection drag areas. Designed for styling by an artist and not an Aerodynamicist?
For light GA airplane Pusher is dead end. Canard is dead end. Even Rutan moved away from the configuration in later years.
There was a joke going around at Cessna that with enough control surfaces you could get interference thrust.
Was the Beech 1900 the butt of that joke?
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