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					|  Post subject: Re: Experimental exhibition  Posted:  22 May 2024, 11:51  |  |  
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					| Username Protected wrote: and, as I learned recently, the Ops limits cannot be amended by the FSDO.  I think that's done by a "higher" division of the FAA, maybe the Certification branch?
 I learned this because i asked for a 1-time waiver to land at a B airport; and they said, "we'd love to help you, but we cannot override the Op's Limits in your book..."
 Landing an experimental at a Class B airport requires an "Exemption" from the rules. That is a bigger deal than a "Waiver." We got one once to land at Dulles to go to Udvar Hazy, but it was nearly and act of Congress.   It was a very difficult process._________________
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					|  Post subject: Re: Experimental exhibition  Posted:  22 May 2024, 15:26  |  |  
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					| Username Protected wrote: Also, if you bring an airplane experimental, limited, or standard, to an airshow and get a tank of gas or a hot dog, the FAA has opined that you have to have a commercial certificate.  Some have gone so far as to say if a museum lets you fly their airplane, you are receiving flight time which they have tried to define as compensation. I was at an airshow with my friends T-34 (NOT Experimental/Exhibition).  The Inspector gave me a hard time that my 2nd class had reverted to 3rd to do being over a year prior. I explained that I did not need a 2nd to just fly.  And he pointed out that I could not accept fuel from the airshow.  I told him I was fine with that and he was happy.  I do wonder if he checked the fuel truck logs to see if I got fuel.
 
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					|  Post subject: Re: Experimental exhibition  Posted:  22 May 2024, 18:36  |  |  
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					| Username Protected wrote: Also, if you bring an airplane experimental, limited, or standard, to an airshow and get a tank of gas or a hot dog, the FAA has opined that you have to have a commercial certificate.  Some have gone so far as to say if a museum lets you fly their airplane, you are receiving flight time which they have tried to define as compensation. I was at an airshow with my friends T-34 (NOT Experimental/Exhibition).  The Inspector gave me a hard time that my 2nd class had reverted to 3rd to do being over a year prior. I explained that I did not need a 2nd to just fly.  And he pointed out that I could not accept fuel from the airshow.  I told him I was fine with that and he was happy.  I do wonder if he checked the fuel truck logs to see if I got fuel.
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					|  Post subject: Re: Experimental exhibition  Posted:  02 Aug 2024, 13:46  |  |  
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					| Coming to this thread late, but I'll ask anyway.
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					|  Post subject: Re: Experimental exhibition  Posted:  02 Aug 2024, 13:48  |  |  
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					| Username Protected wrote: Coming to this thread late, but I'll ask anyway.
 Any restriction on flying an EE in IMC?
 None in mine. Unless there is something in the specific Operating Limits. The rest of the world, including ATC, pays no attention to our status._________________
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					|  Post subject: Re: Experimental exhibition  Posted:  02 Aug 2024, 14:48  |  |  
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					| Username Protected wrote: Coming to this thread late, but I'll ask anyway.
 Any restriction on flying an EE in IMC?
 you are required to have an IFR certified GPS for GPS approaches (I am not sure if a certified GPS is required for IFR/IMC nav, but John Collins would probably know).   but AFAIK the other avionics (screens, etc) can be experimental. I fly mine in IMC all the time._________________
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					|  Post subject: Re: Experimental exhibition  Posted:  02 Aug 2024, 17:52  |  |  
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					| Username Protected wrote: I fly mine in IMC all the time. What do you have?
 
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					| Username Protected wrote: I fly mine in IMC all the time. What do you have?Think he has an L-39
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					|  Post subject: Re: Experimental exhibition  Posted:  03 Aug 2024, 07:50  |  |  
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					| Username Protected wrote: I fly mine in IMC all the time. What do you have?
 L39.  not a bad IFR platform!  although rain will take the paint off, so I don't fly it in heavy rain.
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					|  Post subject: Re: Experimental exhibition  Posted:  03 Aug 2024, 16:33  |  |  
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					| I've had 3 experimental-amateur homebuilt , 1 experimental-exhibition, and 1 experimental- air racing. All 5 were homebuilt by myself, and all 5 were flown IFR in Class B, landed at LAX, ORD,  JFK and EWR. The only place I couldn't get a sign off to land at was BOS. Most went out of the country to the Bahamas, all flew to Canada, one flew to PEI, and one all the way to Rio de Janiero. If you don't do anything stupid (not sayin' I didn't     ) no one cares as long as your op limits docs don't forbid it, and your paperwork is in order. All of this was arranged by the Riverside CA GADO, now a FSDO. Admittedly, all this was late 70's and early 80's and only once had the OPLims amended due to adding 2 extra cylinders.
 
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					|  Post subject: Re: Experimental exhibition  Posted:  03 Aug 2024, 17:46  |  |  
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					| Username Protected wrote: I've had 3 experimental-amateur homebuilt , 1 experimental-exhibition, and 1 experimental- air racing. All 5 were homebuilt by myself, and all 5 were flown IFR in Class B, landed at LAX, ORD,  JFK and EWR. The only place I couldn't get a sign off to land at was BOS. Most went out of the country to the Bahamas, all flew to Canada, one flew to PEI, and one all the way to Rio de Janiero. If you don't do anything stupid (not sayin' I didn't     ) no one cares as long as your op limits docs don't forbid it, and your paperwork is in order. All of this was arranged by the Riverside CA GADO, now a FSDO. Admittedly, all this was late 70's and early 80's and only once had the OPLims amended due to adding 2 extra cylinders.Did you deal with Leroy Blum at Riverside?_________________
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					|  Post subject: Re: Experimental exhibition  Posted:  03 Aug 2024, 18:20  |  |  
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					| Username Protected wrote: I've had 3 experimental-amateur homebuilt , 1 experimental-exhibition, and 1 experimental- air racing. All 5 were homebuilt by myself, and all 5 were flown IFR in Class B, landed at LAX, ORD,  JFK and EWR. The only place I couldn't get a sign off to land at was BOS. Most went out of the country to the Bahamas, all flew to Canada, one flew to PEI, and one all the way to Rio de Janiero. If you don't do anything stupid (not sayin' I didn't     ) no one cares as long as your op limits docs don't forbid it, and your paperwork is in order. All of this was arranged by the Riverside CA GADO, now a FSDO. Admittedly, all this was late 70's and early 80's and only once had the OPLims amended due to adding 2 extra cylinders.Did you deal with Leroy Blum at Riverside?
 I sure did. Great guy! But, I got sideways with him for doing a roll 3 miles off the centerline of the V airway between POM and PMD - well below MEA. Turns out Leroy had a cabin in the San Gabriels, saw the offending maneuvers, and then watched me descend back towards POC. Received the dreaded "we have a number for you to call" from Brackett tower- turned out to be his home number!!!
 
 
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					| Username Protected wrote: Did you deal with Leroy Blum at Riverside? I sure did. Great guy! But, I got sideways with him for doing a roll 3 miles off the centerline of the V airway between POM and PMD - well below MEA. Turns out Leroy had a cabin in the San Gabriels, saw the offending maneuvers, and then watched me descend back towards POC. Received the dreaded "we have a number for you to call" from Brackett tower- turned out to be his home number!!!I knew Leroy dealing with him at Chino.
 Also worked some with his Son, Tony.
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