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Post subject: Re: Boeing Starliner: 80 Problems  Posted: 27 Apr 2024, 17:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: The fact that NASA canx'd after a fairly minor issue early on in the program speaks to a widely held belief that reusable rockets would never be economically viable ... Incorrect. Not NASA; Clipper was a Pentagon (SDI) program. The (Pentagon) SDI funding was exhausted. Those “widely held beliefs” were those of the pols, their appointees and the usual K Street bandits. NASA circled their horses and promised their favorite horse: Senator Lockheed’s VentureStar X-33 vehicle. Another episode of over-promised & under-deliver.
Not sure why the dogma.
First, the entire program only began life because it was protected from NASA through SDIO funding. Happy to talk through the politics around the Shuttle and competing budget priorities vs mission and long term organizational goals.
The program was transferred to NASA midway through its life - there were some politics with the reasoning behind it based on the administration and perception of the militarization of space, etc. NASA didn't necessarily want it nor did they believe in it. There's significant reason to believe NASA didn't want the DC-X to outshine their efforts with the X-33 - which they were trying to gain funding by "proving" something entirely different in the form of the X-33. Which goes back to my original point.
Ultimately NASA cancelled the DC-X. NASA was/is using Russian rocket motors - which is what will send the the Starliner to space.
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Post subject: Re: Boeing Starliner: 80 Problems Posted: 06 May 2024, 18:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: Starliner launch attempt tonight @ 10:34 PM. Why in the world wouldn't you wait for a daylight launch window so could have better video of the event? Especially for the first manned launch of the vehicle.
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Post subject: Re: Boeing Starliner: 80 Problems Posted: 22 May 2024, 09:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: NASA announces that the Starliner launch is delayed indefinitely due to a helium leak in the RCS system (thrusters?). Possible next steps:
- Launch uncrewed
- Fix on the pad
- Remove the capsule from the Atlas V and repair in the hangar The 2021 valve problem on OFT-2 required destacking to fix. I don't think NASA has said whether this problem can be fixed without a trip back to the hangar and a destack. Fun fact: there are time limits for how long the entire stack can be upright before disassembly and re-inspection is required. The time limit is on the order of weeks for SLS. I don't know what it is for this stack.
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Post subject: Re: Boeing Starliner: 80 Problems Posted: 23 May 2024, 13:22 |
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They were never able to determine the cause of the valve failures on OFT-2, they just brought the vehicle into the bay and replaced them. So, being able to swap in a functional valve now doesn't really mean much since they don't know why they fail. NASA needs to make the hard call and pull the plug on this clown show. We need a second orbital delivery vehicle. So far this one isn't it, and hasn't been now for what, five years with no end in sight? They need to fly Dream Chaser and get it on a fast track for crewed flight and stop messing around with this Boeing junk. It's costing them money and time, and risks astronaut lives.
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Post subject: Re: Boeing Starliner: 80 Problems Posted: 23 May 2024, 13:36 |
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Username Protected wrote: They need to fly Dream Chaser and get it on a fast track for crewed flight and stop messing around with this Boeing junk. It's costing them money and time, and risks astronaut lives. When they fly Dream Chaser, if/when it lands at KHSV, y'all are all invited to come watch it with me. Note lack of green font.
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Post subject: Re: Boeing Starliner: 80 Problems Posted: 24 May 2024, 14:00 |
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Username Protected wrote: T hey were never able to determine the cause of the valve failures on OFT-2, they just brought the vehicle into the bay and replaced them. So, being able to swap in a functional valve now doesn't really mean much since they don't know why they fail. NASA needs to make the hard call and pull the plug on this clown show. We need a second orbital delivery vehicle. So far this one isn't it, and hasn't been now for what, five years with no end in sight? They need to fly Dream Chaser and get it on a fast track for crewed flight and stop messing around with this Boeing junk. It's costing them money and time, and risks astronaut lives. So, even NASA has NFF (no fault found) and CND (could not duplicate).
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Post subject: Re: Boeing Starliner: 80 Problems Posted: 24 May 2024, 14:07 |
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Username Protected wrote: So, even NASA has NFF (no fault found) and CND (could not duplicate). Of course! Although in this case I think they are able to duplicate the failure. I don't think that it's NFF so much as FNF.
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Post subject: Re: Boeing Starliner: 80 Problems Posted: 31 May 2024, 17:32 |
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Well, the 1st crewed Starliner is once again scheduled for liftoff tomorrow, June 1st, at 12:25PM eastern. Ha! You know what they say, "eighteenth time is a charm"!  Seriously, I didn't cancel a lunch flight with a buddy for tomorrow, but I'll be watching the live stream on the off chance we have a lift-off! Go Butch & Suni! Go CFT-1 Go Starliner! Go Boeing!
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