Up to 11 folks on board, including pilot. 2650NM Range 1+4. FL 470.

1) I'll believe it when I see it
2) Hopefully they have a solution to keep the things on the runway.....

TL:DR - Yawn.

yeah, but do the brakes work reliably?

Hopefully, they figure out a solution to the weathervaning caused by the OTWEM design.

Same type? Yikes, how did they pull that off - different engines, different cabin, different performance. About the only thing that is the same are the avionics.

737 MAX.

I was just typing that when I refreshed the page! Well said!
Hopefully the Echelon gets some larger tires!

When 100% of the owner-pilots I know have left the HDJT type due to cost-of-insurance issues (N=3), there ain't no way in hell that an insurer is going to insure this for an owner-pilot at any semblance of a "reasonable" number...

for ~10mm, there are a bunch of crewed jets I'd rather have.

I hope they have addressed the ground handling/braking issues on these HondaJets. I have several hours in the HDJT and it quickly became apparent to me why these airplanes wind up off the runway, in ditches and down embankments … very challenging combination of aerodynamic and design factors, especially single pilot. My instructor pilot said that “you’ll get used to it” but I think the incident statistics tend to belie that. In the air and in the cabin, it’s a superb airplane. On the ground, there be dragons … maybe that was just my inadequacies but if I had the $$ for one, I would buy something else, maybe an M2. I do like the range and cabin size of the new one however and kudos for Honda to keep pushing the performance envelope!

I don't think you'll be able to get one of these in the hangar for less than $16M. It has more range than a PC-24 and those are topping $14M.

New jets (or airplanes, or vehicles in general) rarely pencil out. You could probably get a Falcon 900 with a dining area and two couches for a similar cost of ownership if you include capital cost. People just don't want to sit in a seat someone else farted in, or they are going to run them hard like NetJets or a busy corporate flight department where the per hour capital cost is small.

I do think a part 91 owner coming from another jet (especially the smaller hondajet) will be able to insure it single pilot for less than the cost of another crew member, at least after the first year. That said, why do everything yourself when you can have another guy put the pitot covers on and start the air conditioning for an additional single digit % increase in annual spend.

Because managing other humans is a PITA.

I call it "chartering the human". It ruins the ability to use your airplane when and where you want.

Mike C.

Reminds me of the common problem- I just asked them to show up at 8a. They don’t need to do anything else, show up. But yet as every manager/ owner has found. That is a mountain too tall for many.

Seems like if they could figure out the excursion issues they have an awesome plane. They have shipped quite a few of them. I like the cabin more than cessna or embraer equivalent.

Agree could be an awesome plane and finally a SP jet that can actually go from NYC to LA.

Just a little sad that they've gone with Williams. We are fast approaching a total oligopoly when it comes to SP jet engines and that's not good for anyone. See PT6 market for reference. Be really nice to see a new player in this area and I had hoped HondaJet would have continued to develop their own engines.

That is the biggest question I have - why did they invest all of that time and money into their own engine and then bail? Maybe GE bailed? That was the most exciting part of their entry into the market.