BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 08 Oct 2023, 14:11

Username Protected wrote:

The parts manual is available free at the Textron site if you register for an account with Cessna support. Or at at least it used to be free.

Members of the Cessna Advanced Aircraft Club also get access to the paid-for subscriptions to the full maintenance manuals, all SB’s and technical documents as part of membership.

That alone is well worth the small annual dues for the club.

I’ll check on that.
I want those orifices for a different (Experimental) project so just wanting to see that one part.

Although I’ve been salivating over that ES-P on Controller lately

Username Protected · **Posted:** 08 Oct 2023, 20:36

Username Protected wrote:

The parts manual is available free at the Textron site if you register for an account with Cessna support. Or at at least it used to be free.

Members of the Cessna Advanced Aircraft Club also get access to the paid-for subscriptions to the full maintenance manuals, all SB’s and technical documents as part of membership.

That alone is well worth the small annual dues for the club.

I’ll check on that.
I want those orifices for a different (Experimental) project so just wanting to see that one part.

Although I’ve been salivating over that ES-P on Controller lately

Username Protected · **Posted:** 08 Oct 2023, 21:19

Thanks Larry. I wasn’t sure which side it fell.
On my TIO-540-AE2A it is a Lycoming part also.

Thought I might be safe assuming the opposite for this install.

I was surprised they used CDT for cabin heat. But makes good sense.
And bonus it helps exclude CO.

Tj

Username Protected · **Posted:** 08 Oct 2023, 22:43

Rear baggage seal is going back to production as it was nla

GB

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Oct 2023, 00:30

Username Protected wrote:

I don't think E-AB is the right thing for me. For whatever stupid reason, I think I want to stay with type-certificated.

from what i understand, the designers of the airframe were very frustrated with all of the changes they had to make to appease the type-certification process, and the resulting product was several hundred pounds heavier due to this

conjecture though, i've never saw any supporting details

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Oct 2023, 07:59

They "chose" to build it to UTILITY CATEGORY specifications rather than NORMAL CATEGORY, hence the increased weight, easily 100# or more. This single data-point is often over-looked when comparing the Columbia/Corvalis/Ttx with other aircraft.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 10 Oct 2023, 13:56

The Columbia aircraft got the same FAA treatment as the Beech Starship did. The FAA wasn't going to hang their necks out on any new technology, like composites, and wouldn't certify anything without demanding it be overbuilt and over-heavy.

Then there's the whole "turbulator" debacle from the EASA test flights...

"We're from the government and we're here to help!"

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Oct 2023, 23:16

It IS nice to know you have an overbuilt airplane on those days in the clouds when it gets a bit "ahem" sporty..

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Oct 2023, 08:27

Yessir,
Columbia then
Aerostar then
Avanti

Overbuilt is comforting

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Oct 2023, 10:06

Username Protected wrote:

It IS nice to know you have an overbuilt airplane on those days in the clouds when it gets a bit "ahem" sporty..

Dealer I worked for had a nice 182 and a Columbia 400 at the same time. Man, I loved that 182… but the Columbia is SO much more airplane, especially in turbulence! In the summer we never flew the 182.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 Oct 2023, 22:45

Username Protected wrote:

It IS nice to know you have an overbuilt airplane on those days in the clouds when it gets a bit "ahem" sporty..

Dealer I worked for had a nice 182 and a Columbia 400 at the same time. Man, I loved that 182… but the Columbia is SO much more airplane, especially in turbulence! In the summer we never flew the 182.

Cessna/columbia 400 and 350?