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Post subject: Re: F-16 XL Posted: 11 Aug 2021, 19:55 |
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Really? I remember reading about it and seeing models of it. Way cool plane. I wish it would have won.
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Post subject: Re: F-16 XL Posted: 11 Aug 2021, 22:12 |
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Yup, I remember reading about the “cranked arrow” in my youth. Thanks for bringing that memory back to me!
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Post subject: Re: F-16 XL Posted: 13 Aug 2021, 08:41 |
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Delta wings can turn really fast.......once. Then you lose all your energy for the fight.
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Post subject: Re: F-16 XL Posted: 13 Aug 2021, 09:28 |
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Post subject: Re: F-16 XL Posted: 14 Aug 2021, 00:33 |
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Joined: 07/01/12 Posts: 22 Post Likes: +24 Location: Fort Worth TX
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I worked on the XL program so can say that the wing planform reduced the drag rise and supersonic drag. Not to take anything away from an F-16. The 70 deg sweep reduced the supersonic bluntness drag of the inboard panel. The cranked outer panel reduces the aft shift in aero center from sub to supersonic and provides a higher aspect ratio than a 70-deg pure delta. The XL also had more internal fuel than the F-16. To the earlier post point regarding maneuver, a fixed camber delta will be worse than a scheduled-flap wing+tail. In the XL some camber was added into the design over the supersonic-cruise camber baseline to obtain some improvement in sustained lift/drag. The definitive history of the XL program was written by Albert Piccirillo.
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Post subject: Re: F-16 XL Posted: 14 Aug 2021, 07:48 |
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Username Protected wrote: ...the aft shift in aero center from sub to supersonic... Is that what they call "mach tuck"?
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Post subject: Re: F-16 XL Posted: 15 Aug 2021, 08:10 |
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Joined: 07/01/12 Posts: 22 Post Likes: +24 Location: Fort Worth TX
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Mach tuck is the nose down effect of the wing recompression moving aft as the aircraft enters transonic flow, if the aircraft has insufficient elevator control. The aft movement of the center of pressure causes a nose-down pitching moment that has to be trimmed out. In the cases where Mach tuck was severe (P-38, P-47) the wing shock from the thick wing caused a flow separation that reduced the elevator control power and the pilot could not exit the resulting dive. The elevator itself can also exhibit a separated wake at the hinge line, reducing the control power. The F-86 horizontal tail was redesigned with a stabilator to reduce this problem.
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