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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus Jet - in the wild
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[/quote] No doubt for the money the USED Phenom 100 or Mustang is the better buy. SF50's will be sub $1MM in a few years which will bring the price of every used airplane down.
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Sub 1M SF50.....

Have I said HOW much I love me Aerostar...new paint and interior...should be back with in a couple weeks....so it really does pain me a bit to offer the Aerostar PLUS 750,000 of my closest green friends for exchange on an OLD G1 model SF50

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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus Jet - in the wild
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Have I said HOW much I love me Aerostar...new paint and interior...should be back with in a couple weeks....so it really does pain me a bit to offer the Aerostar PLUS 750,000 of my closest green friends for exchange on an OLD G1 model SF50

You're trading in for an SF50?


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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus Jet - in the wild
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SF50’s get to 999,999.....heck yea.

Course I would rather have a twin Mustang for 1,005,000

...they will not get that cheap outside of a major market crash

....which we hope does not happen

Last market crash my income shrank 80%

I had to use all my reserves to hire and start another location in 2009 :D

Maybe next crash I will buy a SF50

Still not wishing for a crash

SF50....BIG...short jet

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I doubt the presences of used SF50's will harm sales of new ones in the future. There's an order backlog now, which will go away when initial demand is satisfied. That isn't killing sales, just a natural thing that is expected to happen with new products.

The thing is, Cirrus will no doubt improve the product (as they have with the updated SF50) and the inevitable curve of acquisition vs. operating costs.

Turbojet powered aircraft have mandatory inspection intervals, which are imposed upon even pt91 operators. There are life-limited parts as well. While the requirement to "overhaul" may not be mandatory under pt91, the inspections and life-limits are mandatory. The inspections are expensive and they pretty much always, turn up something that needs maintenance.

So as the acquisition cost goes down, the operating costs go up. Depending on one's tax and financial situation, there may be advantages to one over the other.

Also the predictability of cost and dispatch are a factor, where some prefer stable monthly budgets and reduced unplanned downtime and others are ok with the risk of a substantial high cost unscheduled maintenance event or aircraft unavailable unexepctedly or for long periods.


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Turbojet powered aircraft have mandatory inspection intervals

So do multi engine turboprops under 91.409(e)/(f). For no valid reason, single engine turboprops are not under those rules.

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The inspections are expensive and they pretty much always, turn up something that needs maintenance.

Has not been my experience. I rarely have any surprised discrepancy that exceeds $1K.

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Also the predictability of cost and dispatch are a factor, where some prefer stable monthly budgets and reduced unplanned downtime and others are ok with the risk of a substantial high cost unscheduled maintenance event or aircraft unavailable unexepctedly or for long periods.

I'm very happy with my 99.88% dispatch on my 45 year old airplane.

Also, if you look at the service docs being put out by Cirrus, the SF50, they are accumulating at a high rate:

22 service advisories
74 service bulletins

That seems like a lot, some sort of service related doc is produced about every 2 weeks on average.

The SF50 already had a grounding from the AoA emergency AD. New does not equal less trouble, sometimes it means discovering the latent bugs.

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