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I'm only a bit familiar with the airframe...are the ones that we refurbed by One Aviation also disposable?


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 Post subject: Re: eclipse on ebay for 550k
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I'm only a bit familiar with the airframe...are the ones that we refurbed by One Aviation also disposable?


Not as bad as a 1.0 on the "lawn ornament scale" but with a bankrupt company and limited parts availability and questionable availability of future parts, I think YES.

Lose a probe in an Eclipse and it's a LONG (maybe 6 months wait) and $18,000. Lose a probe in a Citation (occurs once every 35 years or more) and it's $400 tomorrow. That spread in parts prices removes ANY benefit an Eclipse has due to its miserly fuel consumption.

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That spread in parts prices removes ANY benefit an Eclipse has due to its misery fuel consumption.

"Misery fuel consumption" is seeing a Citation V fuel flow on takeoff.

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That spread in parts prices removes ANY benefit an Eclipse has due to its misery fuel consumption.

"Misery fuel consumption" is seeing a Citation V fuel flow on takeoff.

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If your mindset is the latter (I'm getting an experimental) rather than the former (I'm getting a really cheap business jet), you're going to have a lot of fun. If your mindset is the former, you are going to be very disappointed that your 80% discounted jet doesn't live up to your expectations.


Hmm, well the problem is that it *is* certificated as a twin engine jet. So that means mandatory inspections and so on.

Not as much leeway in how it is operated, vs. experimental-A.B. or even as an L39.

So, it is a glorious chariot until something important breaks. Then it is a $400,000 monument to money I used to have.

If the market would support it, an STC for a G2000/G3000 complete retrofit would be awesome. Probably cost more than the aircraft. But it would be a great ride if it could be updated and the airframe fully supported.

Too bad there are all these variants of the Eclipse that fragment the market and I can't honestly figure out which ones are certified to do what, FIKI, IFR, version 1, 2, 3, 1.1, 2.1, 1.23 what avionics or what is what. It's like a ball of string. The engines seem like the most solid thing about them.

But you're right, it isn't a business jet. Not even a personal going-somewhere airplane. It's a toy and a dispose-a-jet.

A business jet needs solid support, AOG network, parts chain ready to supply stuff on demand, predictable cost and uptime.

A personal going-somewhere plane is more tolerant of delay, but not end of the road looming in the head lights.


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That should only cost about $10M to make a single LCD screen.

The point is that once a production line shuts down for electronic parts, it is not economically feasible to restart it for a handful of parts.

I highly doubt Eclipse manufactured custom LCD screens, there is no reason to. I am pretty sure a compatible screen can be found on Alibaba for under 100 bucks. Interface board might be different, but those aren't hard to make or repair.


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