No Brainy Smurf. That's not what I said. But you should go ahead and quote the FAR/AIM if you really want to add some zing to that post.

Shawn and Jason,

am I right? I understand they did change the ailerons quite a bit from the older ones to the NG to improve their harmony?

Thanks

Gerd

Jason - you made my morning. Thank you.

The US Air Force for one.

I don't see how IS&S contributed to that debacle 8 years ago .
It wasn't their decision to push the planes out the door

Until you fly with auto throttles you can't believe how good they are.

I use them on every flight.

The changed lots of stuff. Yes, the ailerons were one of this things.

Jason, yes, had the pleasure of spending a couple of flights in the right seat a while ago in the latest version, latest software, electric gear etc…

amazing aircraft…

a question, to return to the original theme of the thread…

let's say Pilatus would offer an autothrottle in the future..

would you like that? would you regard it as "great or must-have", or "nice to have" or would you say, "well do not need it, want to stay in the loop at least in regards to power management"…?

sure it would be possible with the APEX…

but how do experienced PC-12 drivers think about that?

Gerd

If they had auto throttle, there is almost nothing left to do.........I'd like cheaper synthetic vision for the Apex before auto throttle.

I'll second that says the other guy without synthetic vision.

+1

I never touch the throttle anyways. Push it forward to go up. Pull it back to go down. There's nothing complex about it.

This avionics game that manufacturers are playing is NOT going to keep bringing a return. It's like my recent dinner at The French Laundry in Napa that cost me $900. Was it a great dinner? Yes. Was it 10X better than the $90 dinner I had a Houstons the night before? No, it's arguable it was 2X better than Houstons but not 10X better.

Automating the throttle in the Pilatus is the equivalent of putting a motor on the rear view mirror of your car to adjust it. How hard is it to just grab the rear view mirror and put it where you want and how often do you fiddle with it anyways?

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Automating the throttle in the Pilatus is the equivalent of putting a motor on the rear view mirror of your car to adjust it. How hard is it to just grab the rear view mirror and put it where you want and how often do you fiddle with it anyways?

Thank you PC-12 drivers for your thoughts,

that is what I would have figured..

my guess is that IS&S wanted to offer some "added value" to convince customers with the upgrade for the legacy P-12s..

http://www.innovative-ss.com/platforms/index.asp?ID=52&L1=1&L2=6&L3=0&display=1

now, I'd guess aside from some "automation issues" those autothrottle systems today all are very precise, keeping speed for instance to the knot, but that also means that that power lever probably moves back & forth a lot more than it would do in "manual mode"..which again could, in theory at least, produce more temp cycles on the engine…every time that throttle moves, whether back or forth, you may have some higher transient ITTs, which never show on the gage because of the short duration and they happen in parts of the engine of which no temps are transmitted..some auto throttle systems on some bizjets for instance tend to be a bit on the nervous side, because they keep speed to such tight tolerances, especially in turbulence…happens at times with some bizjets when the crew takes advantage of the A/Ts that, during fixed Mach portions, let's say oceanic, the bird uses more fuel than if those throttles would stay fixed and just be manually retarded every 30 minutes or so to keep speed, because every time they move back and forth an additional pint of fuel goes through the nozzles..sometimes on an 8:30 flight cruising using A/Ts actually could cut into final fuel reserves…on some birds...

so guess it may be more of a sales & marketing gimmick

I'll second that says the other guy without synthetic vision.