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Post subject: Re: 1500 miles westbound planes?  Posted: 24 Oct 2016, 12:25 |
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My current milk run is from KTEX to KFXE and back. Going East is non-stop, west requires a stop most times.[/quote]
That is an ambitious milk run. I would not do it without a fuel stop even if range permited. The weather in the Rockies can change at any moment and become nasty.
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Post subject: Re: 1500 miles westbound planes? Posted: 24 Oct 2016, 12:55 |
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Username Protected wrote: It is amazing to me how slow most FBO's are. ...
Last week in Vegas I had a 30 minute debate with the girl behind the counter over what a "GPU" is. <etc> Yeah, I agree that I have that kind of experience a fair amount. I never even ask for a GPU, that's usually a time sink. Anything other than fuel is usually a cautionary flag that it could go awry. Even just fuel can get surprisingly time consuming, as it did to me yesterday. I think many FBOs don't realize they are (or should be) in the "speed business" as you put it. There are a couple that seem to know what they're doing. Flower at KPUB comes to mind as a place where I have had a seriously quick turn, they were fueling many planes at a prodigious rate, dual hose truck with two guys pulled up as soon as I was shut down. (And I got free steaks. Which were worth what I paid for them...  )
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Post subject: Re: 1500 miles westbound planes? Posted: 24 Oct 2016, 13:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: My current milk run is from KTEX to KFXE and back. Going East is non-stop, west requires a stop most times. That is an ambitious milk run. I would not do it without a fuel stop even if range permited. The weather in the Rockies can change at any moment and become nasty. Rgs, Patrick
Patrick, I always land with an hour's worth of gas. The weather in tRide can be perfect but the winds will stop you from landing. Montrose is a 5 minute diversion and 99% of the time you can get in there. On the way back from KFXE, that is when a stop is normally required as you are battling 25-50knot headwinds.........down to KFXE, I've dodged weather and ended up doing 2000 SM and still landed with 400-500lbs of gas.
Whilst the Rockies can have inclement local weather the frontal stuff is what I pay attention to.
I dodge way, way, way more weather around New Orleans and the southern part of Florida than anywhere else in the country.........
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Post subject: Re: 1500 miles westbound planes? Posted: 24 Oct 2016, 13:43 |
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Stop in Grand Island, NE KGRI Trego/Dugan tell them you want a quick turn around. They will bring 2 trucks waiting for you as you land and you will be out of there in 10 min max.  Username Protected wrote: We had a real good turn at KOMA Tac Air a few weeks ago. We were on at 09:14, off at 09:41. 27 minutes with single point fuel and GPU. They were not busy at the time.
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Post subject: Re: 1500 miles westbound planes? Posted: 24 Oct 2016, 15:56 |
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Username Protected wrote: So, I took a long cross country yesterday ( KORL-KLBB-KSQL) and had some time to ponder this thread a little... and I'm not sure whether a 1500 mile range is a number that matters. Reason being, when you go all the way across the country, it is often more than 1500 miles. So even in such an airplane, you're making a stop. The difference between a 1200 mile airplane and a 1500 mile airplane going 2100 miles is moot. They both make a stop. (I suppose it depends whether you have a 1400 mile mission you do frequently, but I don't.) FWIW, I was pretty happy with my range westbound yesterday, I got 1100 nm (KORL-KLBB) into headwinds that averaged about 35 kts and shut down with 650 lbs in the tanks, which at my cruise fuel burn (460pph) was 1.4 hours. Even down low it is about an hour, so still a pretty good reserve. At some point in this thread there was some argument about how quick one can make a quick turn. Alas, yesterday for me kind of proved Jason's point - my "quick turn" was an hour due to various FBO snafus and slowness. The one a couple days earlier was better, but still about 40 mins of total ground time. I've had the occasional 30 minute turn, but there are frequently things that make it take longer. Sigh. Living in Denver, you need 1500mile range to make it non stop back from a lot of east coast spots. You can actually be non stop to just about anywhere in the lower 48, both directions, if you could pull off 1500 into winter headwinds. If I could cram another 75 gallons into my Soliatire I would be all set.
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Post subject: Re: 1500 miles westbound planes? Posted: 24 Oct 2016, 16:01 |
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Username Protected wrote:
That is an ambitious milk run. I would not do it without a fuel stop even if range permited. The weather in the Rockies can change at any moment and become nasty.
Rgs,
Patrick
You should just fly commercial.
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Post subject: Re: 1500 miles westbound planes? Posted: 24 Oct 2016, 16:02 |
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Username Protected wrote: There are a couple that seem to know what they're doing. Flower at KPUB comes to mind as a place where I have had a seriously quick turn, they were fueling many planes at a prodigious rate, dual hose truck with two guys pulled up as soon as I was shut down. (And I got free steaks. Which were worth what I paid for them... ) APA gives service like that. Too bad arrival and departure procedures are such a pain. I use KGBD a lot (Great Bend Kansas). They break out the 2 hose truck too and nobody is there.
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Post subject: Re: 1500 miles westbound planes? Posted: 25 Oct 2016, 00:21 |
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Username Protected wrote: Stop in Grand Island, NE KGRI Trego/Dugan tell them you want a quick turn around.
They will bring 2 trucks waiting for you as you land and you will be out of there in 10 min max.
Now I remembered I stopped there a few years ago on my way back from East coast. They were very nice.
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