David, those fuel prices are the ones that Diamond is quoting. As I said, look at the bottom left corner of the banner, at the asterisks.



I'm not defending or condoning what DA is doing, only reading the little asterisks for you

How can you read that.........I can't, and standing in front of it, sunny and at a normal not weirdo distance I could not even see that. I can tell there is some grey characters even zoomed right up, but read it no way.

OK.........I will shut up now, they are in Australia telling legitimised porkies heheheheh

Like I said, nice plane but their numbers are not real.

How can I read?
I have a great screen, a present from the marketing dept at Diamond

I have quite a few hours in the DA42 "aka TwinStar" and found it to be an honest 170KTAS on 12 GPH (sorry for the gallons vs liters, but there in the US, we've standardized on two different systems.). Marketing stuff aside, my guess is that, based on the DA42 performance, the 62 will perform as Diamond says in the manual. The 62 AFM states that it will do 171KTAS on 14.8GPH at GW (2300kg). That's B-E-A-utiful!

I would LOVE to own a DA62, but it's out of my price range, however, it is very price competitive with a new G58 - and it's a very modern aircraft for that money. My biggest concern would be for parts support. The DA42 annual maintenance is very spendy in a part 135 operation. In part 91, wouldn't have to do things on time, but rather condition which might reduce costs substantially if you could do most the wrench turning (as I do with my Baron. Even so, the ongoing parts costs would be something to be wary of.

As a separate note, I like the fact that Diamond provides all of their manuals in digital form (not old scans, but nice high quality type) for anyone to download for free. Compare this to the $600 range shop manual for the B58 from Textron.

I unabashedly love, love, love the 62 (although don't tell my Baron, or she'll likely start spewing oil again in a fit). If anyone has an extra million laying around they want to donate to the Gawer flying fun, please do so. (I'll figure out the O&M costs...)

Agreed. I didn't pay enough attention to the small print either. Is jet A really $1.40? If so it might just pay for me to get a Turboprop
Kevin

Fabien, I now have screen envy ....damned MAC.

Ron, they are indeed a very nice piece of hardware. I am also impressed with their all round performance, but if you have a great piece of engineering, you do not lie about it, you show it off.

I might be an engineer with old fashioned values, but telling the truth in marketing such a machine would win more respect. Yeah I know, the others do it, but this takes it to a new level. (My RV10 outperforms the factory numbers.....they need to get with the game!)

Thanks Fabien for the fine print.

Just to close out the debate, at Baron speeds, the DA62 is going to be around 75LPH according to the POH compared to about 100. A lot more litres for sure, so the numbers for that are going to be AUD$328,125 compared to the BE58 at just over $400K.

Unless you buy your Jet A1 a lot cheaper, like airline cheap, that $74k gap could be getting to a point where service costs make it a wash with the avgas burner. Now that surprised me.

As I have pointed out before, if you are being stung liquid gold prices for avgas it will make a lot of sense, but I do not see enough margin to risk it here, and the USA might be a similar deal. If they get to TBO, with identical overhaul costs and no valve jobs (TCM) or gearbox/timing chain/clutch type expenses as the smaller ones have, then they are onto something good. But only just.

Thanks y'all. It has been fun.

Cheers Mate…

always fun to get together with you folks down under…

you would not believe how often we Austrians are mistaken with Kangaroo country..

years ago, dont remember which overnight service it was..but when we ordered airplane parts from LA California…one of those DHL or UPS, cant remember which..

but alas we had a fuel pump coming vie Australia…problem was the Zip Code of Salzburg is 5020..in Austria…Zip Code somewhere near Adelaide in Australia also is 5020…

so guess what…

80% of the times an aircraft part departed California towards Australia instead of Austria..some software ( and upstairs) problem with the overnight service…and travelled twice around the world before reaching us..

been to Sydney and Darwin a couple of times…


you got a great country…


best always

Gerd

P.S.: and dont take it personal…but those Diamond Twin Jet A gliders deliver…problem is, whenever there is something wrong with an Austro engine, which rarely ever happens, at least a lot less often, than with that antique stuff from Mobile,AL,, a car mechanic probably a lot more qualified to work on those diesels than someone stuck in 1930's Continental or Lycoming aircraft engine technology..and I'm not making fun..I understand….it's called progress…"and mechanics left behind.."

"stuck inside of Mobile.."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WS-TTNaLyg

Yeah......"Australia, that is in Europe isn't it"

We will not say where we hear that though for fear of being banned from BT

That is true, the Austro is far closer related to a MB truck engine. I hope the later models do better than the earlier twin gliders that shut down when you pull the gear up

The biggest issue we found here was the electrics. planes grounded because a sensor or worse a connector problem. And you speak of Adelaide, that is where the fix it man is. And the customers with the diesels seemed to never have a problem in or near Adelaide did they.

Cheers

no, fortunately they dont anymore….that was a design inherent electrical problem that the smart people of Austro Control and EASA did not catch during certification….a bit like the Boeing 787 stuff the FAA ran into…

it's fixed…no worries…

best

Gerd