A friendly amendment ..." I would rather have a case of Resistant clap than a nose whee beech 18" :

Mike, I thought the 180 and 185 shared the same fuselage width and only the 1964 and later 182 had the wider body... I could be remembering wrong, though...

Actually, this was a stupid question . The speed kit mods to gear fairings are quite evident and obviously not on Tom's airplane.

Jgreen

Stan, JGG

I would be the worlds worst standard bearer, if I did not defend the 195. The 195 and 180 are very different airplanes, both Great in their own right. Both are load hogs of the first order. Both will carry a cabin FULL of whatever you can stuff in them.

The 195 will do short field ops as short as 1200ft at sea level. This requires a pilot not of push button variety. The 180 is a much better short field airplane, because it was designed to be.

Finding a 180 in top shape is easier than finding 195 in top shape. In proper condition both are push out of the hanger and go fly airplanes.

The 195 has a larger cabin and is much more comfortable for the pilot and passengers. All that is a function of more cabin space.

Both have similar cruise speeds about 140 knots. Fuel flows are similar....180 about 12-14 gph. The 195 burns 13-16gph.

The 180 is the old mans airplane from a flying stand point. The 195 makes similar demands of the pilot. It's not hard just different. NEVER take your attention away from the task at hand while landing. Amazing how fast it can diverge from a straight line of travel at speeds below 20 mph. Again not hard just takes the proper attention at the proper time.

Stan can fly either airplane with no problems. I would love to see him buy a 195.

The 180 gets 100 points for being practical.


Go by a 60,000 Dollar version of either expecting a push an play experience and you are headed for a cruise down the river of "da Nile".

The 195 gets a 1000 points for being cool, having a round engine, and dripping sex apeal so the 195 wins!

Excellent, Auburn!

When I do a fuel stop in Goodland, KS, I always walk through Butterfly Aviation to see the 190's and 195's they are working on. Top shop, from what I hear, if you have a 190/195.

Aubie,

Very accurate comments. You do know the airplanes.

Still, when I was considering buying the 180, and we were discussing same in Wayne's hangar, you were working on his beautiful 195.

You asked: "Why don't you buy a 195?

I replied: "Because I want an airplane to fly, not work on."

Your response was: " "

It's just the truth ''Grasshopper".

Jgreen

JGG,

As in so many things aviation two is better than one;
195 to please the ladies at every fuel stop, in style!
180/185 to haul/load/short/fast/fun! ID party!

With both all missions covered and you're a real pilot because you fly a Taildragger. The ladies thing is direct from Aubie. I have no experience along those lines. None...

Aubey sees himself as a lady's man?

Jgreen

JGG,

The truth is just what it is. The ladies like what they like ...what can I say ?

The reality is that Wayne's 195s project was a complete resto.

John: Thank you for the pictures of your beautiful spread. I envy you for the "flatness".
I don't have the Snyder speed kit, mostly because it is made of plastic or composite, and fragile in the bush, as well as cumbersome for maintenance. My "speed mods" are the brake fairings, factory original, which were removed around 1957 from our original 180, XB-MEN, and I've kept since. Also strut fairings, and a trick rubber fairing for the brake line, installed by the folks at Beegles when they rebuilt the airplane.
Pursuant to your request, I attach some pictures.
Best,
Tom

I realized that it is supposed to be "ladies' man".

Either way, Aubie?

LMAO
Jgreen

By the way, I just took a couple of my dogs walking at the airport and let the air out of your Explorer's tires.
Where are you anyway?

Jgreen

Perhaps he is floating on the river while the meat cooks slowly on the grill back at camp.

I believe I have the last year of the narrow fuselage 182. 1961 Cessna 182D. After 61, the fuselage widened by 4 inches. Having said that, I could be totally wrong.

As a hopeless aviation romantic, that is one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen written. Succinct, yet so elaborative.

I feel the same way about my family's 170B. It's been in my life since I was six months old in September of 1986. Even my friend/mentor/CFI that's helping me with my commercial and CFI told me last night while getting our night currency that the airplane is a piece of me.

Beautiful story about your 180. I'd love a 180, but I'm way too sentimentally invested in the 170 that getting rid of her will never be an option. A friend just bought a very sound 1953 model that I'll be racking up some time in. I'm excited! Much like yours, his was sold new to Mexico in 1953 (S/N 30920). He chuckled when I walked up to the airplane for the first time and said, "Your airplane has been registered in another country before." He asked how I knew...his registration is all numbers and didn't follow the blocks of serialized N numbers that Cessna assigned to aircraft in that time period. He was amused and revealed its history.

I realized that it is supposed to be "ladies' man".

Either way, Aubie?

LMAO
Jgreen

By the way, I just took a couple of my dogs walking at the airport and let the air out of your Explorer's tires.
Where are you anyway? Ursla the Beech provided excellent transport to
Pickwick . Im suffering the life of Riley this weekend.

Jgreen